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Posted 04 January 2022 - 06:55 PM

I'm enjoying this season a lot. I feel like they are taking more time with scenes and not rushing to action all the time. They are missing something as far as characters go. My first thought is a Worf type person.

 

There will always be things from the first season that just don't quite fit for me. I'll file all that right alongside the ENT finale, TOS finale, TNG's "Shades of Gray," and VOY's "Threshold."



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Posted 04 January 2022 - 11:35 PM

I don't disagree that they are slowing things down a bit (a good thing) however I find the writing lacking and so it falls flat for me. 90% repetitious psychobabble and unearned sentimentality if you have any one of Stamets, Culber, Gray, Adira, the computer, Saru, Book on screen. 90% overconfident ranting if Burnham is. Lazy stuff too. Like, oh how convenient, the Orion kid's dad was an advocate for whatever that other race was, wow, how lucky that was true so that the other dude could immediately forgive him and get over his own prejudice in 2 seconds flat...

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 02:37 PM

Sounds like the show isn’t your cup of Earl Grey. After watching a few seasons you definitely gave it a shot. Just curious why you are still watching in season 4. It likely isn’t going to change enough to suit your taste. But if it is “hate watching” then that is some serious dedication.

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Posted 09 January 2022 - 06:02 AM

I do think the 'mid season break' was not that welcome I would like to see the remainder (same with the 'breaks withink Prodigy prefer to just complete a season of one series before moving to the next... but still good to at least get multiple new star trek shows so there is something for everybody :)



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Posted 11 January 2022 - 08:16 AM



Sounds like the show isn’t your cup of Earl Grey. After watching a few seasons you definitely gave it a shot. Just curious why you are still watching in season 4. It likely isn’t going to change enough to suit your taste. But if it is “hate watching” then that is some serious dedication.


I'm not who this comment was directed at, but I will say that the only reason I stuck with the show as long as I did was because it's called Star Trek, it's supposedly in the Prime Universe and I was clinging to the desperate hope that it would pull some rabbit out of a hat to make sense of itself and heal the rift it had created in canon.

 

The end of season 2 was where I threw my hands up and bailed. I can't stand the way the show is written. Even if it weren't for the canon issues, even if it weren't a Star Trek show, I just cannot stand the neurotic writing style, infinitely increasing stakes and ADHD cinematography.



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Posted 11 January 2022 - 12:05 PM

Yeah, that's basically the reason why I am watching it.  I don't actually go into it as a "hate watch", I always go in hoping that the next episode will be better than the last.  Maybe 1 in 4 episodes I think "well that wasn't too bad"...

 

I mean, my head is full of Trek trivia from everything else, so might as well keep it current, yeah?  



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Posted 25 January 2022 - 11:17 AM

The only potential rift in canon I had a problem with was regarding the existence of such a powerful system of propulsion in the 23rd century. They certainly took care of that. At least Discovery didn't end up like the Pegasus:blink:

 

I'm glad that the Sphere data isn't as omnipotent as I'd feared it would become. I do like that a show's titular ship is actually becoming a character after all these decades.



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Posted 04 March 2022 - 11:34 AM

My list of every dumb thing they've done this season has grown so large that I now just give up.  Season earns an F from me.

How is it that this show manages to make the universe seem so small?

And also, how is it that the writers seem to have never learned the rule of thumb -- show, don't tell?

 

As the show goes on, basically what they are doing is trying to make every character some form of Barclay.  Full of neuroses which constantly interfere with their professional work.  It's basically a starship run by Gen Z.  The D had a counselor on board -- and yet you didn't see the main characters on the verge of nervous breakdowns every episode over, say, repressed daddy issues (see latest episode) during critical moments.  If any of the primary D crew were acting like they didn't have their s#!t together, it was because some anomaly had taken over their faculties.  I can tell you that I would not want to serve on a starship run by this crew (or Gen Z, lol).

 

Further to that point, who would want a constantly sarcastic asshole like Reno (or Stamets) for a boss?  Nobody.  But we are supposed to laugh because the writers view the fanbase as a bunch of neurotic nerds who behave the same way and will identify.

 

Now I am at the point where I don't know why I am watching.  I guess so that I can see the

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Posted 06 March 2022 - 08:06 PM

I'm enjoying it. Episode 11 was particularly entertaining for this Gen X'er and his Gen Z Trekkie.

 

One thing that came to mind while watching this and TOS concurrently is how influential the music cues are. There was a scene in Discovery that made me think of a similar one in TOS (maybe from "Spock's Brain") that might have earned that "WAA-waa" kind of piece that Steiner (or Fried?) used to conveniently wrap things up with. (Like when Scotty makes a joke.)

 

I think it would be interesting to re-score key episodes of TOS with current sensibilities. "Shore Leave" leaps to mind. A less playful cue could change the entire tone without altering any of the images or dialogue. The music is certainly an underrated aspect of the modern shows. 



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Posted 07 March 2022 - 02:44 PM

This season is a mixed bag for me. I like the concepts a lot. Many things in the early seasons of the show are just not great and hard to fit into the overall timeline. The thing that bothers me most is that by the distant future warp is still the mode of travel. In Voyager alone we had so many faster than warp options that after a few decades or even hundreds of years would have been perfected. It should also be easier for them to replicate the 23rd century technology of the spore drive, especially almost 1,000 years later.

They should have waited for the season to finish before airing Picard - it overshadows Disco in my mind.

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Posted 08 March 2022 - 03:26 PM

They should have waited for the season to finish before airing Picard - it overshadows Disco in my mind.

 

It's been awhile since we've had two Trek series running concurrently! I feel spoiled.

I know what you mean about future tech. Sure, we have jets in the 21st century and still travel the globe on water like we've done for hundreds of years. However, I'd expect the same minds who developed a second generation spore drive to be able to replicate and implement it throughout the fleet. Maybe they explained why they haven't and I missed it.



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Posted 09 March 2022 - 04:24 PM

Let me see if I can remember this right...

 

There were problems with the spore drive that meant they shouldn't use it, weren't there?

Like for example whatever the heck happened to Culber, as if I even remember or care?  And what was happening to other entities/things within the same whatever the heck it was pocket / spore dimension or whatever?

 

And then somehow it became stable to use or something as long as you plugged Stamets in the right way or with the right type of hand gel?

 

And so then there was also this AI that was trying to hijack the ship and having the spore drive was even more dangerous because it was going to like gain access and then basically hop around the universe causing destruction?

 

So then luckily they defeated control either as a direct result of, or immediately before, travelling into the distant future with the ship?

 

And so then we were to believe that nobody would ever speak of Discovery or its spore drive in the past again?

 

Did I get that timeline right?  What did I remember wrong?

 

And now...in the future, they see the utility of it in a post-burn world, and who knows, they may try to replicate now?

 

Still good question why no other humans or other races in the galaxy would have independently re-discovered the same technology over all that time...

 

Now, am I still the only one who thinks all that above stuff sounds silly?  I believe there was even a giant tardigrade at some point because why not?

 

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Posted 11 March 2022 - 09:07 AM

I finally was somewhat riveted by an episode of Discovery with "Species 10-C"...

It only took 4 years and slogging through all that baggage to get there...

I really enjoyed S2E2 of Picard also.

2 decent episodes dropping in the same day, maybe the Trek engine is finally firing on all cylinders? Better late than never!

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Posted 14 March 2022 - 03:05 PM

I have to remind myself that TNG didn't hit its stride until it was into the third season, after almost 50 episodes. Discovery may be into its fourth season but its first three only amounted to 42 episodes so it's at least on par with TNG.

 

I think I've had a pretty good idea where this season was going from the start, as soon as I got a good look at the latest menace to our galaxy. Dealing with the different opinions of the newly reformed Federation representatives is proving as daunting as figuring out a way for our heroes to communicate with this strange new life-form.



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Posted 18 March 2022 - 01:29 PM

The finale was a little underwhelming for me compared to the previous episode.

 

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Posted 19 March 2022 - 04:16 PM

Penultimate episodes are SO good at amping up the stakes. I imagine it's tough to deliver a good finale that isn't a cliffhanger.

 

I liked that everyone got to be heard, which seems to be a prevailing theme this season. It's important to have a voice, particularly when the issues are this big and so personal.

 

Species 10-C was pretty much what I expected, which is fine. The communication challenge was interesting. I'll admit to not being a fan of amorphic adversaries (from V'ger to Galactus and Parallax) so I was happy to see some kind of defined shape finally materialize.

 

Curious to see where the next season goes and more importantly who returns and in what capacity.






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