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[Gothneo]

As I was reading some sites, I happened upon something interesting...

 

If thee is any doubt as to who the antagonist of Into Darkness is (and I don't think there is) I see more sites are outright listing it. 

 

I'll put it in a spoiler just in case someone is trying to wait for a surprise.

 

But I saw this...

 

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I also noticed that its already won an award!

 

Apparently a California Location Award in 2012!

 

http://www.imdb.com/...rds?ref_=tt_awd

 

Not sure what that means.

 

 

[Qcjoe]

Yeah Im not clicking spoilers.

[JMW326]

I want to read it so bad but I am going to hold out.

[Gothneo]

I just read this review... and I couldn't help but laugh out loud... 

 

Please be warned... its a spoiler, and... well a bit racy in one instance. 

[JonWes]

First of all, let me say I really enjoyed the movie. But it does have issues.

 

First of all, it's great to see the crew back together. Unfortunately, this is an all-to-brief occurrence because the plot demands for some of them to break off again. It does make me sad we can't follow this crew week to week in a show, because all around they are fantastic and really do such a great job of inhabiting their roles.

 

I enjoyed Cumberbatch a ton, playing

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the not-a-surprise-really-at-all Khan. He's perfect for the role, and an excellent villain. But, stripped of his history with Kirk, the battle between he and Kirk doesn't resonate as much in the shadow of Wrath. The death of Pike is sad, though almost inevitable in a way, I suppose. And that's good motivation for Kirk. But once that gets sidetracked and Khan and Kirk must team up (which I found very fun, btw) then they switch things around so that it's TWOK but Kirk and Spock reversed. This is the least successful element of the movie, to me. Even some of the lines are the same. And it pulled me out of the movie. Some people were laughing a bit. It was just an un-needed thing, to me. I like this Kirk and Spock, but they aren't the original Kirk and Spock. This scene cannot hope to have the gravitas of the original, so why did they put themselves in this position? Especially when we could all figure the way out of it so easily? The Vengeance is a cool nemesis for the crew. And the battle is pretty good, if short. It was great to see Nimoy again, though I found that scene to be a bit silly, too. "Hey, Old Spock - how do we get out of this jam? And can you explain why Khan is bad?" It felt like such a narrative short cut. And again, sort of pulled me out of the movie a bit.

 

All that being said. I loved Uhura in this. Loved the action set pieces. Loved the main villain. Loved Scotty. Loved Sulu's moment. If anyone is sort of poorly served, it's probably Chekov. So even though there were about two moments that broke the spell, and made the whole a bit weaker than the 2009 movie... there was a lot to like here.

 

If anything, I really want the movies to forge their own path now. That's not to say, given the ending, that I wouldn't mind

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a rematch with Khan someday...

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PS - the spoiler function on the board is very odd! I had to combine three paragraphs into one in order for the spoiler function to work properly!

[Prometheus]

Somehow I completely missed this thread when posting about seeing the sneak peek tonight....sorry.... I personally am pleased with the film but do agree with JonWes that it is sad that we dont get to see the entire crew interact more....but. there are some great moments in this film, never the less. I can see where some purists will have some problems....but overall its a great romp.... with lots of great elements.

[Alex]

I saw the film when it opened in the states on Thursday, and I have to admit, it's pretty much what I was expecting. I'm not going to spoil anything here, but I definitely think it could have been better, although it did have its high points. Unfortunately, it came off as a bit rushed to me, and I honestly felt that there were too many missed opportunities in the film overall.

 

On the positive side, I will say that Karl Urban and Simon Pegg were superb, and that there definitely wasn't any problem with the actors; the problems, at least in my opinon, were clearly issues with writing and overall execution on the production end of the film.

 

One thing I will praise on the production end though is the new "warp drive" effect. I've made it abundantly clear that I hated the "warp drive" effect in Trek XI, so it's nice to see STID returning to a more traditional "rubber–band" style visual effect for warp drive. I don't really think that counts as a spoiler, but if it does, I'm sorry for not tagging it as such.

 

Oh and I have to admit that I'm curious to see what this film will bring in at the U.S. box office; the IMAX 3D showing I was pretty empty, (I think there were more people in the opening day showing of NEM that I was at,) but then again, it was a 1:00P.M. showing on a Thursday afternoon, so it could just have been an issue of timing. If this is a pattern though, I'd consider it a cause for concern.

[Gothneo]

I'm betting the film will be a smash hit at the box office. Any of my complaints with JJ, aren't really issues for most movie-goers here. 

 

I was watching Star Trek III, The Search for Spock Last night, and I realized that the sets and production level, which was good for the times, reminded me of watching something like The Ten commandments or Cleopatra. A big production bit from the 50's or 60's just didn't stand up in the 80's. Likewise, some of the old trek films just can't compare with production and effects of modern day. 

 

I've heard the new movie is visually stunning and the effects are great. 

[Whirlygig]

I was watching Star Trek III, The Search for Spock Last night, and I realized that the sets and production level, which was good for the times, reminded me of watching something like The Ten commandments or Cleopatra. A big production bit from the 50's or 60's just didn't stand up in the 80's. Likewise, some of the old trek films just can't compare with production and effects of modern day.

 

I think I know what you mean.  But I also miss some things about old school production values.  When I watch more recent films I feel like I'm watching TV, and almost claustrophobic, because it seems 90% of shots are close-ups.  Simultaneously I feel like I have no spatial sense of what's going on because along with the tighter shots are much more frequent cuts.  And I'm only in my early 30's.  I grew up on "modern" action films, but we seem to continue approaching extremes.

[VulcanFanatic]

I dont look at older films as being inferior because of lower budgets and lack of technology of the time. Part of the appeal to me was making a great movie with limited resources, but still putting out a quality picture. The lack of Special effects technology gave way to more emphasis on plot and character development in my opinion. I like todays films, and i can sit down and watch The Ten Commandments or Star Trek III and enjoy them just as much. The younger generation may not because they are growing up with lightning fast cuts, scenes that barely on the screen long enough to see them and then another cut and another scene. I think perhaps this is because todays young people have a short attention span. Thats why most young people seem to hate older movies. 

[BadBunnyMike]

Was testing the Spoiler tab on this one....it worked lol

[BadBunnyMike]

Okay so now that works...I gotta say overall I Really liked the movie. But I think that I am gonna have to watch it a second and maybe a third time before giving a great opinion. I do have to say i REALLY loved the visual effects and the shots of the Enterprise in this one, a lot more of them and i am liking the JJprise a bit more after this movie because of it.

 

Now as for the rest of it...

 

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I'd have to say the Khan plot twist was pretty recognizable to those who are trek fans...72 stasis tubes...i mean really haha. What I liked was how the roles were reversed in the movie, but at the same time it felt kind of like a rehash of TWOK...i mean I was hoping for something new and unique. I did like it though. With the familiar phrases and lines from TWOK, including Spock screaming KHAAAAAAAN haha....that was classic. 

 

I didn't on the other hand like how thy kept saying his name Khan this and Khan that, it didn't feel natural to me, like they were over playing the importance of him.

 

Benedict though, Awesome job...He did make a very dynamic villian, a million times better than Nero, Nero was a snoozefest of a villian, i mean he was very one sided. 

 

I still have to say that the Vengance is sort of like the JJ Excelsior in a few aspects...

 

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Transwarp Drve, and Scotty sabotaging her...yeah that was excelsior haha...

 

Okay and talking it over with my roomate he brought up a REALLY interesting point...

 

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The Enterprise didn't fire a SINGLE shot...not one, did anyone else notice this haha...i had to think about that after he said it and was like "oh man, you're right"

[Gothneo]

I dont look at older films as being inferior because of lower budgets and lack of technology of the time. Part of the appeal to me was making a great movie with limited resources, but still putting out a quality picture. The lack of Special effects technology gave way to more emphasis on plot and character development in my opinion. I like todays films, and i can sit down and watch The Ten Commandments or Star Trek III and enjoy them just as much. The younger generation may not because they are growing up with lightning fast cuts, scenes that barely on the screen long enough to see them and then another cut and another scene. I think perhaps this is because todays young people have a short attention span. Thats why most young people seem to hate older movies.

I certainly didn't mean to infer older movies are inferior. Quite the opposite I too appreciate the classics. I was trying to comment more on how different they look.

[JMW326]

I just got back from seeing it and loved it. This is one heck of a great Star Trek movie. I can't wait to see it again.

[Commodore Kor'Tar]

Just got back an hour or two ago and it was a great film. I loved it. 

[richpit]

I don't know if I've said it here yet or not.,,but I LOVED this movie.  Yeah, there's some plot holes that I bet will be filled in if they release a Directors Cut or just an uncut version.  But all in all, it was a very, very good movie.  I saw it on Wednesday in IMAX 3D and then on Friday in the regular theater.  I don't think it lost anything in non-3D, to be honest.  

 

I can't wait for it to come out on blu-ray so I can watch it over and over.  Of course, afer a hugely successful run in the theater!  

[Qcjoe]

My wife and I just got back from IMax.   We both loved it.  I laugh at any fan who says this movie has nothing to say about current events.  I would say more,but I have no idea how to do the spoiler thing.

[Gothneo]

The good news is it looks like into darkness will pass the previous star trek movie gross for a domestic opening in the states. Although... it took it an extra day to do it. Into darkness has 4 days because it opened a day early, where most have three days.

Current estimates are about 84mil domestic.

[Starfighter]

I really loved this movie. Very good mix of action and character development. 

 

The only thing that I did not like was the fact that Scotty could basically walk as free as he wanted to on the Vengance. That would not be very realistic.

 

BTW, I have been reading the IDW ongoing Comic and it was cool to see the interatction of Spotty and Keenser remain the same as it was in the comic. 

[slayerone76]

My only real problem with the movie is this:

 

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Spock and his "holier than thou" attitude about the Prime Directive in the first scene, BUT his actions in trying to save the alien race from the volcano were, in fact, a violation of said Directive.

 

Anyone else catch that?