Voyager
#41
Posted 17 April 2007 - 01:11 PM
#42
Posted 17 April 2007 - 01:18 PM
#43
Posted 17 April 2007 - 06:44 PM
Wow...I would never have noticed a change to ops. I barely rememeber the configuration.
You know I thought it was odd when Janeway, B'Elanna & Tuvok were changed into Borgs, they didn't seem to be in any pain...but doesn't the process involve the Borg gouging out one of your eyes to implant the laser beam targeting thing?? Not to mention the horrible things they would do to your body!
#44
Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:19 PM
#45
Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:30 PM
As for the recovery...you have to remember that Crusher was in unfamiliar territory with the transformation of Locutus back to Picard. Her experience and several years of study by Star Fleet Medical would have gone into the Doctor's programing, so there is a little bit of assumption we can make for the more rapid recovery. Not to mention his experience with and insights from 7of9.
You know I thought it was odd when Janeway, B'Elanna & Tuvok were changed into Borgs, they didn't seem to be in any pain...but doesn't the process involve the Borg gouging out one of your eyes to implant the laser beam targeting thing?? Not to mention the horrible things they would do to your body!
The change wasn't that well shown, but there used to be a conduit running overhead from the Engineering stations on the back wall onto O'Brien's station. They removed it and then reconfigured the opposite end of that work station "table" (for lack of a better term) so that you could have an unobtrusive view of Worf at his new OPS station. It was reaaaaally hard to tell because they very rarely did a sweeping shot of OPS after Worf's station was created. But if you compare background movement and work station placement from the first 2 seasons to shots shown with Worf on duty in OPS (and NOT occupying O'Brien's station), you can see some changes (which included at times a raised monitor).
Well, B'Elanna did mention that she had something installed in her that was altering her voice...that it was painful but she would manage. So there WAS some mentioning of that.
#46
Posted 22 April 2007 - 12:23 AM
I recall that.
They just showed "The Killing Game" episodes on The Sci-Fi channel. That must have blown the budget for a long while with that one!
The Hirogen seemed to be a lot bigger when we saw them kidnap Seven & Tuvok earlier in the season (I think).
#47
Posted 22 April 2007 - 04:45 AM
This is probably the most insightful summation of what was going wrong in the franchise post DS9. I cannot disagree with anything the Chimp says about VOY, and like he says, it wasn't a bad show. Pretty enjoyable in fact, it was just that there is always that nagging feeling that things could have been a helluva lot better...just like with ENT in fact.
#48
Posted 22 April 2007 - 08:35 AM
Don't worry Jules, there's plenty of re-inventing coming our way.
#49
Posted 22 April 2007 - 10:03 AM
#50
Posted 23 April 2007 - 01:13 PM
I still think that Star Trek should explore the made-for-TV-movie venue. Star Trek, regardless of the incarnation, seemed to have it's best commercial success on the small screen.
#51
Posted 23 April 2007 - 08:49 PM
I remember being surprised that immediately after they were rescued that Janeway and B'Elanna had the exact same hairdos they had before being assimilated. I know, I know... the Doctor probably stimulated the hair follicles or whatever, but still... SOME sort of lingering effect would have been nice.
Also, was it just sheer luck that none of them had limbs replaced with tools and eyes that were both left in their sockets?!?
#52
Posted 24 April 2007 - 02:50 PM
I am re-watching it right now (via Spike TV) and does anyone remember the Borg Queen saying, "We'll see you soon, Harry" to Harry Kim (he was on the bridge while Janeway was taling to the Queen on the viewscreen) and then he asked the crew "What did she mean by that?" and no one answered him.
Did we ever find out why she said that or if it meant something?
#53
Posted 24 April 2007 - 03:01 PM
#54
Posted 24 April 2007 - 03:03 PM
Perhaps, but my guess was that Harry was supposed to be on that away mission to the Borg ship and then for some reason it was changed and they just needed the scene as it was shot. It just seems so out of place for a show that is usually so well thought out. <shrug>
#55
Posted 24 April 2007 - 06:07 PM
#56
Posted 24 April 2007 - 07:02 PM
I agree. I dont think much was being made about future storylines.
#57
Posted 25 April 2007 - 08:26 AM
I didn't mean a future storyline per se... I meant the away mission to the Borg cube that took place about 5 minutes after she made the statement. <shrug> Oh well...
#58
Posted 27 June 2007 - 12:41 AM
Not that I'm laughing at Beltran's problems with the show....just him calling the production staff "Crap heads"
http://www.firsttvdr...ff/beltran.html
I wonder if these are quotes from conventions??
And these were cool:
http://www.firsttvdr...ff/voyagen.html
#59
Posted 27 June 2007 - 08:14 AM
It says right at the top that they are computer generated "quotes". Likely they took transcripts from various conventions and interviews and strung them together. You'll notice that all of the quotes have the same 3 sentence structure. They replace key portions of the sentences from quote to quote like the episode name, or the name of the writer or producer he's bashing and that's about it.
I'd be curious to see some transcripts of conventions with him to know if he really has such predictable rants. If so, it would say more about him than anything else. Personally, I think all these gripes show lack of judgement on his part. If he was really so unhappy with the show, he should have left, just like Denise Crosby did. Obviously, it wasn't the best career move, but she thought there'd be greener pastures outside of Trek. Turns out she was wrong and regretted it, but at least she had the courage to take the chance.
Beltran, by contrast, just seemed happy to collect a paycheck and then essentially talk crap behind the backs of those people who were giving him the money. If he was that dissatisfied, he should have had the personal courage to leave and find other work. If not, he should have been a loyal member of the production team and not trashed the show publicly. I'm not saying he has to lie and say he loves it when he really hates it, but he could have declined to get involved in such carping and just remained essentially silent during Voyager's production while lobbying behind the scenes to make what he thought would be a better show. And when the show's over, you can discuss directions you would have liked to have seen the show go that didn't happen, either with your character or with others' characters. It would have been a much classier way to criticise the show without the assault on the production team's professional abilities, to say nothing of the fact that these might be people he'd have to work with again someday on other projects.
I think Beltran is, in a small way, one of reasons Voyager is so disliked. Consciously or sub-consciously he planted one more seed of discontent in the minds of the fans. "If the people making the show think it's crap, then how can I possibly defend it as something I like?" AND he made it harder for those who really did like it to defend it to those who didn't. If I were in Berman's shoes, I would have tolerated it for a while, tried to accomodate him somewhat by taking in his feedback and incorporating some of his ideas, and if that didn't pacify him, then kill off Chakotay in a dramatic season ender, promote Tuvok to 1st officer, bring in one of Tuvok's "deputies" as a new character if needed, and said good riddence, don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. Would that I were in such a position....
#60
Posted 27 June 2007 - 08:54 AM
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