Just from looks, I see more differences between the Excelsior and Enterprise B than I do between the D7 and K'Tinga. The K'Tinga just looks a lot more detailed.
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#141
Posted 22 November 2015 - 01:48 PM
#142
Posted 22 November 2015 - 03:09 PM
The K'Tinga would probably make the most sense from a marketing standpoint as the ship's screen use spans from the first TOS movie all the way to the last episode of DS9.
#143
Posted 23 November 2015 - 02:29 AM
The K'Tinga would probably make the most sense from a marketing standpoint as the ship's screen use spans from the first TOS movie all the way to the last episode of DS9.
It was also used on Voyager too. Though it was misidentified as a D7. Then it was incorrectly used on Enterprise in its 1st season.
#144
Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:48 AM
#145
Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:49 AM
#146
Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:50 AM
(I am going to buy a grand total of ONE Romulan Bird or Prey, so, again, the whole Bird of Prey decision is mind-boggling)
#147
Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:52 PM
Saying that one ship looks nicer than another ship is entirely subjective.
Saying that TNG is more "popular" than TOS is probably not measurable, not on a global scale. I think you'd probably have a third contender in there now with nuTrek.
I would personally love for us to do a Borg Cube, and I think I have an idea on how to minimize tooling on it, but everyone is giving 2 dimensions on the Romulan Warbird and not factoring in the third dimension. The double wings add tooling and materials costs, and I do NOT have a solution for that.
#148
Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:14 PM
Just found the perfect gif to represent DST's refusal to make a K't'inga/D7:
#149
Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:05 PM
That's great! Where did you excavate that Jay K?
#150
Posted 24 November 2015 - 08:22 PM
Found it here on Treknobabble: https://www.reddit.c..._gone_daft_man/
Made me laugh when I noticed what ship it was!
#151
Posted 28 November 2015 - 04:28 AM
Everyone is giving 2 dimensions on the Romulan Warbird and not factoring in the third dimension. The double wings add tooling and materials costs, and I do NOT have a solution for that.
Cant argue with you there. Though I for one would love to see you guys do one.
#152
Posted 30 November 2015 - 12:07 AM
I would personally love for us to do a Borg Cube, and I think I have an idea on how to minimize tooling on it, but everyone is giving 2 dimensions on the Romulan Warbird and not factoring in the third dimension. The double wings add tooling and materials costs, and I do NOT have a solution for that.
You've got my money if you do a Borg Cube. (It's one of the few Playmates ships I never managed to get my hands on in the '90s.) As for the Romulan Warbird, how much more expensive are the double wings than, for example, the Klingon BoP's individual but massive wings? If the scaling is going to be comparable to the Playmates release, (which I actually believe is comparable to most of DST's ships,) would the tooling be significantly more expensive than a larger ship (e.g. the Enterprise–D) using a similar amount of materials? I'm admittedly curious about which aspect of the tooling drives up materials costs, hence the question. (Is it that the double wings are just larger individually than most areas of ships that DST has previously tooled, or is the volume of plastic actually higher than it would be on other DST releases?)
The Romulan Warbird has what appear to be completely symmetrical engines with no discernable "left" or "right" nacelles, would it be possible to cut costs there by tooling one "universal" nacelle for each side of the ship that could be attached to the double wings? (Unlike for example, the Enterprise–E where the nacelles have been tooled to be attached to specific pylons.) While I haven't looked at it in detail recently, I'm not aware of any differences on each side of the front of a Romulan Warbird either, so would it be possible to effectively tool that part with one side as a mirror image of the other to shave off some of the manufacturing costs as well? (If there are any differences that I'm missing, could someone here please mention what they are?) The Romulan Warbird has always seemed like it could be tooled as a "ship with two saucer sections and no stardrive" to me, so I'm just wondering why that would raise the cost above that of a more traditional ship. Is it just the detail of those sections that's problematic, or is there volume of plastic just much higher than it appears to be for that particular design? If TNG's D'deridex is too complicated, what about NEM's Valdore–class that doesn't have a double wing design, and is more in line with the Klingon BoP? It'd be something that could compliment DST's Enterprise–E, and would still satisfy at least part of the craving for a post–TOS Romulan ship.
Cant argue with you there. Though I for one would love to see you guys do one.
I'd love to see DST do one too. I'm trying to think of something that might let them reduce the plastic volume or the tooling costs, but I've only got what I've suggested above so far. If I come up with something better, I'll definitely share it though.
#153
Posted 30 November 2015 - 08:24 AM
As I mentioned in the Romulan BoP thread, what about eliminating the lights and sound effects?
#154
Posted 30 November 2015 - 05:56 PM
Doubt we'd cut sounds or lights, but this is just me talking. Nothing is set in stone. Ask DST if you have specific questions.
Just saw a light-up Borg footstool announced, might be a cool alternative/placeholder to a DST cube.
#155
Posted 30 November 2015 - 07:03 PM
I'm also curious how the B and Excelsior toolings work since I don't see many assembly seams.
#156
Posted 30 November 2015 - 07:38 PM
#157
Posted 01 December 2015 - 10:36 AM
Just saw a light-up Borg footstool announced, might be a cool alternative/placeholder to a DST cube.
Good god you weren't joking...
http://www.geekalert...trek-borg-cube/
#158
Posted 01 December 2015 - 11:03 AM
I think it's more down to the fact that the scale was determined by Playmates back in the 90's and seemed to be a very popular size to continue on with. The NX 01 is actually a pretty small ship and I guess making that ship smaller wouldn't have been feesable for electronics to be put inside her, the same issue may have been had if the original enterprise and its movie refit were done any smaller.
Hallmark has been making smaller ships and other sculpted Trek items (ornaments) for decades, often complete with lights and multiple voice bites, at a reasonable price point for collectors. DST just has their way of doing things, and in the decision rooms their way is apparently the only way, hence where we are right now. If they would innovate business/manufacturing models or take more risks they may have figured out by now a way to tap into the current Trek market that others (Eaglemoss, NECA/Wizkids, Hallmark, or even Funko) are continuing to cash in on.
Usually this is the part where someone suggests that their license only allows certain types or scales of items, but then I'm pretty sure Zach recently gave the impression that they can do whatever they want, so I don't know who to believe at this point.
#159
Posted 01 December 2015 - 06:51 PM
I'm still kind of bewildered that DST can't afford to make one of the major alien ships from Trek in the Romulan Warbird. This isn't some obscure ship that was seen onscreen for a single episode, this is one of the most popular and continually featured ships on the most popular modern Trek series. This isn't an alien ship that most people have barely heard of and that would appeal only to a tiny section of fandom, it's the Romulan Warbird for God's sake, a major alien race ship--and if DST can't find a way to make it at a profit, then what exactly can they afford to make with this line?
It's starting to feel like once we get Reliant, Defiant, Voyager and maybe a K'Tinga, everything else we see will just be variants, because nothing else will make sense by DST's math.
#160
Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:59 PM
It's starting to feel like once we get Reliant, Defiant, Voyager and maybe a K'Tinga
In all likelihood, even this is being overly optimistic. :/
Also, I have to laugh at the suggestion that the Romulan Bird of Prey from TOS, was more sought after than the Warbird from TNG.
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