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#781 MisterPL

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 04:45 PM

I'd argue that every time the crew went back in time, a new timeline was created. "City on the Edge of Forever" created the timeline where Khan actually met Chekov. ;)



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:47 PM

Seriously though...one has to wonder why whenever a team sits down lately they only manage to make matters worse when it comes to not only canon but consistency of plot/themes/atmosphere/message?

 

How many actual dedicated fans with writing talent would it take to sit down and start a spinoff series from scratch and instead make matters better, or at least no worse, or at least worse at a reduced rate???



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Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:05 AM

Largely DS9 is linked to the great development of the Klingons and the deep view we got into it... its also kinda why all the retconning is tough...

 

Likewise, ENT gave us a pretty deep view of Vulcan..

 

You know what might have been interesting... if, perhaps, they explored more depth into other founding planets of the federation, how about a  better look into Andoria... or  Tellerite.

 

There are great nuggets all the way back to TOS that could be further explored and fleshed out.



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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:05 AM

I kinda half heartedly watched yesterdays episode.... Ill need to seriously try and watch it as Im sure I missed a bunch.... but my initial impression was it seemed more chorebtvon some character development ... and it didnt seem like a bad episode... in the new (old?) search for Spock???

The federation just cant keep track of him!!!

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:39 AM

chorebtvon

 

Is that like covfefe?

 

(I haven't watched it yet)



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Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:08 PM

👍🏻 I dont even know what I was trying to say! Let assume it was focused?!

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 05:03 AM

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 09:01 AM



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I eagerly await the announcement of yet another Star Trek Show: "Star Trek: Malfunctions" in which we see the Adventures of Pike and Spock on the Enterprise, venturing in a five year mission from starship to starship, from starbase to starbase, from outpost to outpost, with the intend to single-handedly ripping out every holo projector in existence. Boldly ripping. Where no one has ripped before!



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:22 PM

Why does Kirk's enterprise have analog switches and bulb lights and tape recorders? Pike doesn't trust that touch screen technology or that OLED stuff or that 20th century flash storage stuff? And Kirk doesn't get to renovate again when he is captain?

Writer's room:
"Let's add a line about blah blah rip out the holoprojectors on the Enterprise blah blah"
"Haha, now that's clever! Now no nerd can argue with that!"
"That's why they pay me the big bucks! I'm da Big Kurtz!"
"Right on bro!"

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:48 AM

Yeah.... this is a perfect case where they would be better off just keeping their traps shut and let fans rant... because as weve seen (heard? ) theres no god answer... you know people love the DS9 episode trials and tribbleations because they made a real effort to match the aesthetics

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:11 PM

Yeah.... this is a perfect case where they would be better off just keeping their traps shut and let fans rant... because as weve seen (heard? ) theres no god answer...

 

I disagree. Lets just take a look at nBSG for the moment. The Galactica had no connected computer network. Why? Because the cylons had used it against them. Why not have an outside force use the holographic technology against our protagonists? Maybe the technology is prone for manipulation. Write a story, where the Disco-Crew get strange orders by the president/CnC via holo, and later on, they discover, that they have been fooled/manipulated the whole time. Either by the klingons, or by section 31 or whatever. They are in an era of cold war (more or less). What better set-up? Could explain easily, why Starfleet goes a bit retro with their technology (not as easy to manipulate). I mean, we live in a time, where its more and more difficult to distinguish real from fake (CGI characters like peter cushing, for example). Disco could commend on that, or at least make storys about it.

 

But, as always, the writers simply don't use their assets and go the easy/dumb route instead. THAT'S the Problem with Disco.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:52 PM

Ok... but that premise was built in from the get go in BSG... and yeah they could have tried something like that with disco... which I kinda think they are doing with the spore drive... and technology dead ends are one thing... but they have holo then they dont then they bring it back in a different way in TNG going forward? Disco has no plan.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 01:59 PM

Yeah....good points all around.  Though, if it were possible to fake out a holographic communication, you'd think it would be even easier to fake out an old 2D viewscreen communication...so I'm not sure that story would be any less prone to nerd rage!



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 02:40 PM

Nothing is immune to nerd rage.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 03:59 PM

Well now! I think the NRA should be reborn as Nerd Rage Anonymous!!! I could join that NRA!!!

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 06:55 PM

S2E2 was really good... why can't we have more like that?! Got me wondering if it was an anomaly or what? Seems to be the only episode pen'd by Sean Cochran who's a staff writer... but mostly just edits... maybe he should be writing more?



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Posted 19 February 2019 - 02:54 PM

These episode move way too fast - and yet somehow nothing of much consequence really happens in them either.

That's not even old age talking.

There was no time whatsoever to figure out what was going on as a viewer.  None of this "blah blah fungus dimension blah blah tree bark blah blah" stuff came across very well, nor does it make any sense.  And we are supposed to empathize with these characters via nothing but "shorthand" mechanisms in the script.

Seriously.  Weak, weak sauce people.

GET BETTER.  :P



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Posted 19 February 2019 - 05:45 PM

I'll pile on... even though they seem to be whipping through lots.. you just don't care! The last few episodes I've been playing old arcade games while its on in the background... the show isn't grabbing my primary attention!



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Posted 19 February 2019 - 07:33 PM

They need to find their Michael Piller. Someone to focus the season and always ask what idea is each story about.

The major thing that happened towards the end of the last episode whizzed by at transwarp speed. I went from “huh?” to “no way” to “oh see not fully real” to “huh?” again.

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:46 AM

Yep, and whats frustrating is since Buhrnam is supposed to be the star, thats supposed to be her... and I'm not sure if its that they are failing to try and do that or that the character is so flawed you just don't believe her.   Additionally... I already disliked.. and therefore discounted the entire spore drive premise... so I really don't care why they eventually abandon it... we already knew that it was a dead end from the very get go... in Trek its ok to have technological dead ends... we've seen dead ends.. in fact we've seen a similar arc already with "The Pegasus"... and whats so annoying about everything going on in DISCO is where was section 31 in that episode... seems like that should have been just their cup tea!






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