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#381 Whirlygig

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:54 AM

Yes, I mean, anything would really be better than "there's fungus existing on some mumbo jumbo plane of existence in space with gigantic invisible root networks that are somehow traversable by normal matter but only if you have some of that DNA within your body and then if you do you can just choose where to go at will even though I don't think that root system has a central nervous system and wait a minute what's that you say, space is so vast and full of nothingness by its very definition that even the idea of a bussard collector finding enough particles to do anything with is a giant stretch oh well no matter SPORES EVERYWHERE"...

 

I would have MUCH prefered an experimental Transwarp thing.  Since we already accepted warp, I'd much rather build on/around that than invent something else in left field.  Warp is part of canon.  It doesn't have to be real to be part of canon, but if you are going to stuff something new into canon your first duty is to see if you can't maybe make that thing be both respectful of the pre-existing canon and also more in line with the current scientific thinking if at all possible.

 

There's a lot of buzz right now about gravitational waves.  Use *that* in your mumbo jumbo.  Use what Gothneo said.  Use anything other than "magic mushrooms", for the love of Pete.



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:12 PM

When did people become so uncomfortable with the fiction part of science-fiction?


When the fiction became simply magic, unexplained magic.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:13 PM

Its not a mumbo jumbo magic plane, its a domain of subspace. 

 

Trek has already established there are an infinite number of domains that make up subspace, LaForge compared it to a honeycomb with an infinite number of cells. 

 

The mycelial network is one of those subspace domains. 

 

Its really not different than using transwarp to enter into a different subspace domain for faster than warp travel. 



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:21 PM

Only it is different. It suggests biological organisms that are capable of crossing over...and capable of basically being everywhere while being compatible with our own biology. Stranger Things in space.

Anyway...

If you give that a 100% free pass then here's another to chew on. Since when does someone who murders multiple members of Starfleet countless times over in a time loop just walk away from that a more or less free man? This one is bothering my wife.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

Trek has always been a mix of some solid science and convenient mcguffins 

 

 

On Subspace... 
 

 

Mathematicians discovered the concept of a subspace within a space continuum decades ago, and science fiction writers appropriated the term to serve their needs for a super-advanced way to reach other points in space, time or "other" universes. The concept is alive in physics today, in theories that our space-time may have eleven or more dimensions - three space dimensions and time, plus seven more that are "curled up" within a tiny sub-atomic size scale, where they conveniently explain mysteries of the forces of physics. But Star Trek uses its own unrelated version of subspace, with signals that can travel as fast as the fastest starship. This is just a convenient notion to get messages to Star Fleet and back by the end of a TV show, with no realistic physics behind it.

 

so.. .yeah... most of Treks ideas on subspace are well known huey!

 

 

the bottom line is: Star Trek science is an entertaining combination of real science, imaginary science gathered from lots of earlier stories, and stuff the writers make up week-by-week to give each new episode novelty. The real science is an effort to be faithful to humanity's greatest achievements, and the fanciful science is the playing field for a game that expands the mind as it entertains. The Star Trek series are the only science fiction series crafted with such respect for real science and intelligent writing. That's why it's the only science fiction series that many scientists watch regularly

 

I prefer a good balance of whats possible vs just fanciful guff... and that review, I think right pints out that DISCO is on a precepace of one much more than the other have typically been presented. 



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:43 PM

There are a lot of problems with Discovery and season 2 really needs to address them and simply get back to telling stories about the characters and the humanitarian moral/ethical etc... issues Star Trek deals with through the eyes of an alien of the week.

There were a lot of problems with TNG, it took 3 seasons for that show to finally find its sea legs. As long as CBS learn from the mistakes made in season 1, Discovery has the potential to be really good because all the ingredients are there for it to really shine.

Star Trek isnt meant to be this complex or confusing and Discovery whilst I appreciate its still finding its identity, I think is trying too hard to look intelligent without actually being intelligent.

Its clearly a show that has had too many executives making decisions around a boardroom table. Season 2 needs to be much much better and driven by a single man or womans vision of what this series should be because right now it is a mess, it has potential in that there are some fabulous actors working on it and there are some genuinely nice ideas being brought to the table but ultimately this show is just way too over produced, there isnt one clear vision for it and thats a real shame.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:15 PM

Been watching some of S1 of TNG lately... and while some of the dialog is laughable... and maybe it takes its self a bit too seriously... I have to admit most episodes aren't that bad.



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:54 PM

Oh were it only for the spore drive. Unfortunately, Disco has so many countless problems. After the bs that was episode 7, I've decided to spend my time with something worthwhile instead. But I won't bother watching this terrible show any longer.

More and more people will stop watching this show, it's garbage in my opinion and apparently more folks are coming to that conclusion. I've seen others in social media say the same thing .

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:33 PM

More and more people will stop watching this show, it's garbage in my opinion and apparently more folks are coming to that conclusion. I've seen others in social media say the same thing .


I think more and more people are curious as to where the show is going. I think its still doing pretty well with fans and audiences alike.

This isnt anything new for a Star Trek series to start slow and weak and then get much better as the seasons continue. Theres nothing to suggest people are admitting this show is garbage, it simply isnt.

I have my problems with this show, but it is certainly not garbage. Not by a long shot.

I dont even think you really know what this show is, you cant be watching it for sure so youre just spouting nonsense really arent you.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 04:34 AM

Your absolutely right 1701D... must be people on those "Alt Right Trekkers" social media sites... because the general consensus I see (look at sites like trek movie.com) is that the show is getting better.. and more Trekky by the episode. 

 

I normally don't schedule my TV watching time, but DISCO has me looking forward to seeing where its going!

 

I think after the next episode it goes on break... but AA is supposed to have the new comedy coming out, so I'll check it out since I have the sub service... put on twilight zone the other day... and loved letting that run! The service is pretty good all-in-all... and the production value and character aspect of DISCO is really good IMO. I just have some issue with the some of the science... as Whirlygig and I were saying. 



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Posted 01 November 2017 - 07:20 AM

I'm guessing subscriptions will spike again during the mid-season hiatus and again once the full season concludes so folks can binge watch it. Whether they stay depends on the rest of the content but the point is that they're tuning in to see new Trek.



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Posted 01 November 2017 - 09:44 AM

I was planning on cancelling All Access when Disco wasn’t on, but my parents have been using it quite a bit and I’d feel bad at this point cancelling it.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:33 PM

as long as someone in your family is getting the value!



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Posted 01 November 2017 - 06:17 PM

Had I purchased All Access to simply watch Star Trek: Discovery Id be very happy with my subscription. Its certainly worth the money.

I think CBS will continue to add to their service and I dont think the drop off will be as big as it could be.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:37 PM

This show is absolutely getting more and more Trek with each episode.

Really looking forward to seeing Discovery use the spore drive in combat next week, but it's definitely going to mess up Stamets.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 04:13 AM

A number of interesting twists in this episode. We may have our first indication of why the spore drive tech will have to be abandoned. Good to see Admiral Cornwell again. Saru takes a walk on the wild side! Burnhams humanity seems to be emerging more and more with ea episode. Lorca shows why he's an able captain, especially in combat. 

 

I re-watched "The Battle of the Binary Stars" again... and in retrospect that episode really packs in allot of information... its also a beautifully produced episode. 

 

Actually its the 2nd highest rated episode thus far... Context is for Kings being the highest, and I would agree that they are key episodes to setting the overall story. 



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:22 AM

I LOVE THIS SHOW, maaaaan its been up and down but loved this episode. I think were seeing the show now after Fuller had left. Thats probably why we got two bottle episodes.

Do we think that all of the tech in Discovery will be abandoned in favour of more rudimentary tech seen in TOS?

I wonder if the end of this war will mean that both Klingon and Starfleet agree to disarm and use older tech so that neither can gain the upper hand in a technological war.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 11:50 AM

I hope we see an evolution of tactics. SF may be freaked out by cloaked ships now, but in 10 years they are just the SOP... and they adjust their tactics to combat them. 



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

I hope we see an evolution of tactics. SF may be freaked out by cloaked ships now, but in 10 years they are just the SOP... and they adjust their tactics to combat them. 

 

Did the Klingons have cloaking devices in TOS?



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 02:40 PM

I don't think they ever showed them using them in the show, but they had them by the time of the movies so I'd so its reasonable to assume they did. 






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