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#95881 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 19 March 2019 - 03:44 PM

Anson Mount could carry his own show. 

#95849 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 12 March 2019 - 04:11 PM

So... if your expecting a stand-alone plot.... your probably right... I guess my brain... knowing what it knows... filled in some (lots) of blanks. It did feel like an episode for fans steeped in canon rather than for new fans. 

#95810 The Orville

Posted by Gothneo on 26 February 2019 - 12:29 PM

Well.. I dont watch it when it aires I stream it in the next few days ... so if those ratings dont represent that then they arent getting the full picture

#95759 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 19 February 2019 - 05:45 PM

I'll pile on... even though they seem to be whipping through lots.. you just don't care! The last few episodes I've been playing old arcade games while its on in the background... the show isn't grabbing my primary attention!

#95725 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 14 February 2019 - 03:59 PM

Well now! I think the NRA should be reborn as Nerd Rage Anonymous!!! I could join that NRA!!!

#95685 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 05 February 2019 - 06:19 PM


I'm just trying to understand the "controversy."



No controversy to understand... that I know of... and I'm certainly not suggesting any such thing... my argument is quite simply predicated on.. as Whirlygig is fond of reminding me... the overall poor quality of the writing we've been getting ever since the 2009 reboot... all the way until now. 

Are there some glimmers of good writing? Yes. But overall... I can't say the latest body of work is great SciFi... let alone great Star Trek.  Does it stop me from watching and enjoying it? No. Not at all.


Will I watch the new Sec 31 show and the rest of DISCO? Well... sure.. until my sub expires this year I guess so... I paid for it. 

As for STID being Sec 31 centered... thats not my sole interpretation... a Secret weapons facility... getting Evil Genetically altered superhumans to work for you by locking up their brethren... secret super ships... they may not have said it was section 31... but it sure operated the same way.. so it was an obvious nod to "fans" in the know, if you don't agree... thats fine. 


I'm not trying to change anyones opinion... or really rag on DISCO... I was just presenting my perspective on 1) Why and how section 31 was introduced (in DS9), 2) why the very idea of it in Trek seems like a bad idea to me... let alone mainstreaming it.


I mean... can we at least aspire to try and write more episodes like "City on the edge of Forever"... or "Inner Light"... and if we can't reach for that how about taking the tact that Manny Cotto took and really put some effort into demystifying and cleaning up the canon in a delightful manner? 


Hey look, the Disco cast has realized the same thing and expressed it through song:




And Rent is overrated too! There I said it. people can hate on me for it but its true :-)

#95618 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 25 January 2019 - 07:07 AM

Imagine if Jason Isaacs came back? Prime Lorca and Pike on the same show.


Yeah... this is what I think is odd about Discovery... technically its Martin-Green's show. She's supposed to be the Star... but it doesn't feel like she is to me... she feels like a troubled No. 1.... because thats how they wrote it. So as a viewer... I gravitate towards Mount and Issac because their characters are written as more decisive leaders... and its not that I think Martin-Green couldn't pull off the lead... but I think they wrote her character into a corner a bit... I'd contrast the style to BSG where Starbuck isn't the Capt, and is deeply flawed, but they establish all that from the offset and allow her to grow out of it... whereas Burnham is billed as a shining star and the next best thing... but fails and falls hard immediately in S1... and now we are just supposed to accept that she's been redeemed?


Still, I'm liking the overall direction its going. 

#95609 Star Trek: Discovery. Series talk and discussion

Posted by Gothneo on 21 January 2019 - 01:30 PM

It certainly has a The search for Spock  vibe. Sure youve got some valid points...  just about all of which I might say apply to S1 as well... but I still think its a vast improvement from S1.  And since were looking at a seasonal story arch... Im waiting to see if they sort some of the issues out.

We do know there was continuing chaos in the production show runner s replaced and new writers brought in etc. so it shouldnt be a big surprise I the writing still isnt as clean and tight as it should be.

But a few of the biggest issues with season 1 may have been solved.

1) a solid character in Pike that I can relate to and might want to be

2) a lighter atmosphere that would make me want to actually be on that ship.

#95552 Star Trek: Section 31

Posted by Gothneo on 15 January 2019 - 02:28 AM

Jay K, yep. DS9 is a fav of mine too. I always saw Sec 31 as an allegory for the dangers within a society or organization. DS9 used it effectively to make the moral point that those dangers can be overcome and succumbing to fear isn't the way.

#95543 Star Trek: Section 31

Posted by Gothneo on 14 January 2019 - 12:48 PM

Im torn. I love Yeoh. I especially loved what she did with evil capt G. It was a standout from S1 Disco.

But like Ive said I deslike the idea of section 31 at all in the trek continuity, and if there was a singular bad idea that came out of DS9... Im gona go with that one.

Still... its bound to make for good cloak and dagger writing and between the possibility of entertaining story and what Yeoh will bring to it... it may be hard not to watch.

#95538 The reason Trek Canon Is being erased?

Posted by Gothneo on 12 January 2019 - 08:37 PM

Of course there have been legitimate gripes about Discovery (pacing, tone, etc.) but they're few and far between. Most of the complaints are so superficial .... 


Actually, I think there are a number of legitimate complaints about DISCO... maybe not a huge number.. but I think they are rather large... 

#95437 Aquaman

Posted by Gothneo on 31 December 2018 - 01:22 PM

Saw Aquaman today. A 1st rate effort, and I agree... probably one of the best efforts for the DC Universe!




#95432 The Orville

Posted by Gothneo on 30 December 2018 - 05:21 PM

Reminder that Season 2 Primer is on tonight!

#95418 Merry Christmas !!

Posted by Gothneo on 25 December 2018 - 06:12 AM

Merry Christmas Everyone!

#95409 The reason Trek Canon Is being erased?

Posted by Gothneo on 19 December 2018 - 02:43 PM

Into darkness did disappoint me greatly for exactly the reason you cite. It was a story that just didnt need to be retold... and I found it lazy. For all its detractions the 2009 reboot did reintroduce the franchise rather ably... I wanted to like it more... but I couldnt hate it... if that makes any sense... I waited for the sequel to jump in and get us back on Trek... and it didnt deliver imo. So yeah wasted opportunity.