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[Jay K]

This video has been making the rounds in my various feeds. It contains possible spoilers if the rumours are true, so consider that fair warning:

 

Obviously there's no way to corroborate any of the rumours presented, but if they're true, then it paints a really dreary picture, and I have a lot more respect for Bryan Fuller than I already did.

[WORF22]

thank you for sharing. what in the ----- is going on at cbs???

[djc242]

The captain of the Discovery was announced:

https://www.google.c...1202038246/amp/

[JMW326]

I love Jason Isaacs. If CBS can get their s$!t together this may be pretty good. The cast so far is pretty awesome. The concept art and delays are not.
Lol.

[Jay K]

Doug Drexler on Facebook:

 

"I think a new Star Trek should take place further in the future. Let's see the new future tech, based on what we know now. Don't reinvent another era. Keep all the eras intact! Move forward. Be inventive!"

https://www.facebook...154164540206104

 

Also, in reply to this comment:

"I agree...move forward....but man..there will be so much hate mail...."

He replied with:

"The hate mail comes when you repave continuity."

 

Just to be absolutely clear, Drexler isn't just a former Trek guy, he's an oscar winning make-up artist who's worked on a ton of other productions. So when he says things like this, my brain starts thinking he might be clued in to stuff we're not yet privy to, but that might have recently leaked out in the form of rumours, etc.

 

I still haven't forgotten Denise Okuda's comment on the news of Bryan Fuller departure:
"It's bad news..."

[1701D]

Hard facts are;

1) do you make a Star Trek series that goes further into an ever becoming unrelatatable future (tighter spandex for uniforms and faster ships) that has very little in it that looks like Star Trek, that again creates new aliens that are just aliens of the week, expanding on a timeline already convoluted and confusing, only appealing to a declining/dwindling fan base and alienating those who came into the franchise from the new movies...

Or

2) do you make a Star Trek series that brings the series into the modern age, make a Star Trek that broadens its appeal whilst maintaining its philosophy and ideas and set it in the timeframe most people associate with Star Trek, that involves the more iconic aspects of the BRAND, regardless of Prime or Kelvin preferences, (23rd century, Kirk and Spock) and refresh the look to be more up to date and contemporary whilst keeping it undeniably related to the iconography of what people understand and identify as Star Trek?

Either way... it doesn't really matter. Except for the fact that CBS and Paramount both saw that people identified with Star Trek through imagery, iconography and characters from the 23rd century moreso than with any other part of Star Trek.

Enterprise last aired 11 years ago. And whilst all 12 of us enjoyed that series, there simply aren't enough fans left of that type of Star Trek to sustain a new series that has to hold its own in a vastly competitive market; Walking Dead, Game of Thrones... Whatever we loved about Star Trek on tv back then can't be returned to now. TV has moved on, Everyone who worked on Star Trek has moved on and Star Trek has moved on.

As long as the stories are great, hold up to what audiences expect in today's TV landscape whilst maintaining the principles and philosophy of the original Star Trek, then fans should be happy.

If you're not happy and you can't judge this series independently on its own merits from the Star Trek's that have come before it, then it's simply a matter of the door being over there because if you can't judge this new series on its own merits and have to constantly compare it to what has come before then clearly Star Trek isn't something you're a fan of anymore.

Doug and Denise are both amazing people who have done amazing work on Star Trek but they too have moved on. Of course they are going to be all for making a new series fit seamlessly into what has already been long established but the truth is, whilst I don't think we're going to see a whole departed series from the original, I think Discovery will hold true to the themes and characters from the original, you can't recapture the past. Star Trek has to be different, it has to go... well... boldly.

[Whirlygig]

Good Lord, if those rumors are true, I hope Netflix does demand all their money back and it never sees light of day.

Color me no longer optimistic.  

 

Spoiler

Alternate realities explaining Mark Lenard's multiple roles...what the what?  So each episode/film took place in ITS OWN alternate reality according to whatever bozos came up with that idea?  This calls for many facepalms:

 

[Whirlygig]

If you're not happy and you can't judge this series independently on its own merits from the Star Trek's that have come before it, then it's simply a matter of the door being over there

 

LOL.  Thanks for showing us all the door, hope you are excited to talk to yourself in an empty room when we're all gone.  Can't believe you posted this AFTER the rumor video.  You think Game of Thrones in space is what Star Trek should be now?  If that's what it is, I'm out the door already.  Bye byes!

[Jay K]

Good Lord, if those rumors are true, I hope Netflix does demand all their money back and it never sees light of day.

Color me no longer optimistic.  

 

Spoiler

Alternate realities explaining Mark Lenard's multiple roles...what the what?  So each episode/film took place in ITS OWN alternate reality according to whatever bozos came up with that idea?  This calls for many facepalms:

 

 

Bear in mind that they're still just rumours, although they do seem to be gaining more weight by the day. I agree about the stuff in your spoiler tags as well - that one is particularly eye-watering.

[1701D]

 
LOL.  Thanks for showing us all the door, hope you are excited to talk to yourself in an empty room when we're all gone.  Can't believe you posted this AFTER the rumor video.  You think Game of Thrones in space is what Star Trek should be now?  If that's what it is, I'm out the door already.  Bye byes!

You'll be back.

Whirligig, the problem you face is this... it's Star Trek. If JJ Abrams didn't get you out the door, I'm certain CBS won't manage it either.

Fact is actually really this; most fans don't care and will watch new Star Trek and enjoy it. A small number of fans will bitch and whine about it while still watching it and paying CBS for the privilege. A fraction of fans will actually stick by what they say and not watch it but also not comment on watching it, an even smaller percentage of fans will not watch it, won't have seen the Abrams movies, but exclaim and shout about how Star Trek has been ruined and destroyed and it's this and that, it doesn't hold true to Genes vision etc...

You won't be out the door because you care too much. You will go against everything you claim to hate about Star Trek and watch it anyway... either way, CBS has you, otherwise you wouldn't still be here lying about how you're going to walk out the door.

As for the video... pah! What a load of crap! Where's the proof?

[Alteran195]

That video was a waste of time, an aesthetic too far removed from what Trek fans are used too? The production video they released would say otherwise. 

 

I'll wait until I actually see something official about the show. 

 

 You think Game of Thrones in space is what Star Trek should be now?  If that's what it is, I'm out the door already.  Bye byes!

You think GoT in space is a bad thing? A story told from multiple perspectives across different parts of the Trek universe would be fantastic. 

[1701D]

 You think GoT in space is a bad thing? A story told from multiple perspectives across different parts of the Trek universe would be fantastic. 

I think that's the kind of show we're going to get and that will be truly epic. We've heard about how one of the Klingons trying to unify houses. This is a show that features multiple ships too so it's going to have multiple perspectives across the Trek universe.

As for sex scenes and the violence... Klingons! I mean there's a case to be made here that a darker tone in the same vein as GOT would be good for Star Trek as long as it's relevant to the characters and that the philosophy Roddenberry created with Star Trek is there front and centre.

[VulcanFanatic]

CBS already made a Star Trek series that alienated fans because they departed from continuity . Remember Enterprise? CBS has already been down the road of having a failed Star Trek series, hopefully they will get it right this time but I'm not holding my breath.

[Nigel]

CBS already made a Star Trek series that alienated fans because they departed from continuity . Remember Enterprise? CBS has already been down the road of having a failed Star Trek series, hopefully they will get it right this time but I'm not holding my breath.

 

I'd rather have more seasons of Enterprise than this new thing.

[1701D]

CBS already made a Star Trek series that alienated fans because they departed from continuity . Remember Enterprise? CBS has already been down the road of having a failed Star Trek series, hopefully they will get it right this time but I'm not holding my breath.

In your opinion...

Enterprise failed not because it alienated fans or departed from continuity, it failed because....

Drum roll...

1) it wasn't a big enough departure from continuity
2) It didn't take enough creative risks
3) it failed to move on with the times
4) the writing failed too many times and resorted to tried and tested formulas
5) stusio politics played a negative roll on the day to day running of Enterprise
6) the network it was broadcast on was against it from the very beginning.
7) the network failed.
8) the only people it appealed to were the fans and they had had enough of the same old Star Trek dressed in different clothing.

This isn't Enterprise, this is bigger, more important and the same mistakes just simply won't be made again and while you may sit there with your head firmly stuck in the sand denying that Star Trek had got to move with the times and by saying that you're not convinced, beweare the new Star Trek, it won't be real Star Trek.... be sure to understand that you are in a diminishing minority of so-called fans who will either have to get used to Star Trek or walk away from Star Trek because it won't stick around waiting for sweaty nerds who spend too much time worrying about the minutiae of something irrelevant to be explained.

[1701D]

 
I'd rather have more seasons of Enterprise than this new thing.

How the F*ck do you even know that? You haven't seen a damn shot of Discovery yet!!!!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!

Seriously? Is this what Star Trek fans have become? Because if so I really hope Star Trek Discovery does piss you all off because you people who judge Star Trek in this manner just simply don't get it and honestly don't actually deserve it anymore, you've literally lost the damn plot and any sense of reality has been blurred by your distorted view of what Star Trek "should" be.

Get a grip and at least wait for the show to start before you judge it fairly on how good the story is, how good the acting is, how well they've produced the show... not *in his best full on nerd voice* "well in epishode 20 of the original series, the colour of the walls on board the Enterprise were clearly duck egg blue, whereas in this new sheries they've painted the walls grey and this is clearly a violation of canon becaush in 2355 we know that shtarship interiors were duck egg blue*

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Nigel, I'm sorry to offload on you, this is really meant for you and many other fans I see wandering the internet screaming about the same crap.... but Shit dude, come on! At least wait for the damn show to come out!

[Nigel]

How the F*ck do you even know that? You haven't seen a damn shot of Discovery yet!!!!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!

Seriously? Is this what Star Trek fans have become? Because if so I really hope Star Trek Discovery does piss you all off because you people who judge Star Trek in this manner just simply don't get it and honestly don't actually deserve it anymore, you've literally lost the damn plot and any sense of reality has been blurred by your distorted view of what Star Trek "should" be.

Get a grip and at least wait for the show to start before you judge it fairly on how good the story is, how good the acting is, how well they've produced the show... not *in his best full on nerd voice* "well in epishode 20 of the original series, the colour of the walls on board the Enterprise were clearly duck egg blue, whereas in this new sheries they've painted the walls grey and this is clearly a violation of canon becaush in 2355 we know that shtarship interiors were duck egg blue*

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Nigel, I'm sorry to offload on you, this is really meant for you and many other fans I see wandering the internet screaming about the same crap.... but Shit dude, come on! At least wait for the damn show to come out!

 

I didn't deserve any of that. I'm obviously just a "sweaty nerd" to you. I happened to like Enterprise. It has grown on me over the years. I don't give a shit about what colour a wall was or whatever crap you just spewed. I just don't want to see them completely change the show to suit some superhero lens flare eye candy transformers no acting talent no plot except blow up shit like the abrams films. One of the things I don't like about Discovery is the pic of the "new Klingons." I don't get how every show has to be filled with softcore porn and horror movie violence like Game of Thrones. Star Trek should be something you can watch with your family. I've had a bad feeling about you for a while. You seem to neglect anything I post. Can't say I'm surprised you took out your rage on me.

[Alteran195]

How did Enterprise depart from continuity? The only minor flaws are the use of photon torpedoes and phase canons, but it's hardly some major violation.

[Nigel]

      This makes me  really sad because this is one of my favourite websites.......

[Daysleeper]

Nigel and Alteran: I agree with you. Enterprise tried to connect TOS and TNG-era stuff more than it violated continuity. It was a great show and would have deserved more seasons. A lot of people who disliked it when it was released have come to appreciate it as a show over the years.

And Nigel, don't let someone make you sad and angry who just cannot accept that people have different opinions on things. The problem with people who complain, that some fans dislike JJ-Trek or the direction, Discovery seems to be taking, is that they cannot and will not accept another opinion. And if you tell 1701D, for example, that you like ENT, he'll start whining about that, since he doesn't accept this other opinion. So much for JJ-haters (well, I don't hate it, I just couldn't stand the first movie or the second one for various reasons and have therefor given up on the Kelvin-timeline) not being openminded. Thing is, there are people like myself who consider themselves Trekkies and still don't feel the obligation to worship everything with the name Star Trek attached to it.
As for Discovery: I'm torn. I really like James Frain and Jason Isaacs, but what we've learned about the setting and look of the show so far makes me sceptical. I'll watch it (though I'd prefer another season of ENT as well), and if I don't like it, I'll stop watching it and perhaps I'll even come to this forum and let people know why I don't like it. Because that's what this forum is for, sharing your opinion with others, right? It would get boring, if we all had the same opinion on things... Oh, and if I do like Discovery, I'll come here and let people know that, too.