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[Gothneo]

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Paramount Pictures, Annapurna Pictures and Skydance Productions have officially unveiled release date for "Terminator 5". From the press release, the film, described as a "rebooted Terminator movie," is set to open in theaters on June 26, 2015, and apparently will be the first in a planned stand-alone trilogy. 

 

 

As a standalone trilogy, it sounds like a reboot. 

 

Personally, I think Terminator and Terminator 2 are both masterpieces. I can say they shouldn't be redone, but I have seen a few movies re-done that are better. 

 

Unfortunately, there seems to be more remakes that do not eclipse the original, but we'll have to see I guess!

[richpit]

Even though they may end up as good movies, I still wish that Hollyweird would just try to create something original (and good).  Reboot after reboot just gets old, IMO. 

[Prometheus]

Getting tired of the reboots as well....

[VulcanFanatic]

Schwarzeneggar has apparently signed on to appear in the next Terminator movie, so how much of a reboot could it be? If they could forget about Terminator 3 and Salvation and make a direct sequel to Terminator 2, i might like it. Of course i like Superman returns and they forgot about the 3rd and 4th movie in that franchise and went with a sequel to Superman II. How abour Terminator Returns? If they could keep Edward Furlong out of jail long enough to get him through rehab, He is old enough to play the older John Connor now. Maybe he could infiltrate cyberdine and find Arnold as the human template used to make the prior Terminators, and work with him to install self destruct devices triggered when the Terminator utters the name Sarah Connor and maybe even "I'll be back".

[Daysleeper]

Well, Nimoy was in JJ-Trek, and that counts as a reboot as well, doesn't it?

[Jay K]

It's sad to see movies just doing reboot after reboot nowadays. As long as we have companies like HBO making great TV (Sopranos, Game of Thrones) though, I don't feel like I'm missing anything really.

[Exelion]

_{My problem with this isn't the fact they want to reboot it, but that it will be another toned down family friendly feature resulting in 12A rating here in the U.K., *stares at Terminator 3 and Salvation*.  I don't want to watch kiddie friendly Terminator films, with the blood, gore, and over the top action pieces removed; replaced with a decrepit Schwarzeneggar shooting randomly at the screen and a camera that quickly shies away just in case it implies to the young whippersnappers in the audience that the person who he was shooting at might just be dead.}

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JMW326]

I don't mind reboots to franchises if they are done well. I like retelling of stories. What I dont care for is if the original is completely disregarded and the new has nothing to do with it at all except in name only.

I also dont think that Hollywood has run out of ideas. They just know what makes money and that is what they are in the business to do. Lets face it, most new or original ideas that come out are usually met with over the top critiques and just don't make the money that something more familiar would.

[richpit]

I don't mind reboots to franchises if they are done well. I like retelling of stories. What I dont care for is if the original is completely disregarded and the new has nothing to do with it at all except in name only.

I also dont think that Hollywood has run out of ideas. They just know what makes money and that is what they are in the business to do. Lets face it, most new or original ideas that come out are usually met with over the top critiques and just don't make the money that something more familiar would.

 

All good points.

[Gothneo]

It sounds like it will be a reboot. I would be surprised if arnie is completely a cgi actor in it. They cgid him pretty good in salvation.

 

essentially since they are dealing with a Time paradox, they can loop through it endlessly making it different every time.

 

im guessing this is what they plan on doing.

 

i never thought of the original as all that gory or really full of allot of fxs. The plodding relentlessness of the terminator the desperation of Reese and the sheer panic of Hamilton all made it work.

 

i do agree that they are dumbing it down in the last two outings. Terminator and terminator 2 were both rated R and far superior to the last two efforts.

 

the insteresting thing is that the studio had no faith in the original and it is considered a worth of archival preservation by the library of congress now!

 

so truly it seems like it was an original idea. 

 

Ill wait to see what they do with it, but I'm not optimistic if they keep going for the pg13 rating, all effects and no feeling.

[BadBunnyMike]

Okay well some of the best stories are Retellings of older movies...i mean there are more than you guys prolly realize. But yeah certain franchises of our time are getting the treatement. Lethal Weapon is another one that is getting redone, and Robocop

[Gothneo]

I don't put Lethal Weapon in the same league as Terminator.

 

Lethal Weapon is just a quirky action/comedy in the same vein of 24 hours, and has technically been remade many times in the guise of such movies as Bad Boys and Rush Hour, so remaking it with the same name doesn't mean much to me, they are all fun in their own way.

 

Robocop is at least in the same genre as Terminator, and while Terminator 2 is the movie that typically makes most sci-fi lists, there wouldn't be a "2" if "1" hadn't been so well received.

 

Robocop, I think needs to be redone, if only because the FX are so dated. The challenge is to to update the clever way that the original poked fun at American consumerism,  our decline from being a world class manufacture, etc. Some of the best bits of Robocop were the clever fake TV Ads. To do the same thing wouldn't cut it, but at the same time there is an expectation, and thats the challenge, people have expectation set from the original, but they still want to be surprised when they see the remake, and to have their expectations exceeded and I think its possible to do with movies like Robocop.

 

But neither robocop nor terminator 1 consistently make the top 5  list of best sci-fi movies like Bladerunner, and they are re-making that too... which is another thread ;-)

[VulcanFanatic]

I don't put Lethal Weapon in the same league as Terminator.

 

Lethal Weapon is just a quirky action/comedy in the same vein of 24 hours, and has technically been remade many times in the guise of such movies as Bad Boys and Rush Hour, so remaking it with the same name doesn't mean much to me, they are all fun in their own way.

 

Robocop is at least in the same genre as Terminator, and while Terminator 2 is the movie that typically makes most sci-fi lists, there wouldn't be a "2" if "1" hadn't been so well received.

 

Robocop, I think needs to be redone, if only because the FX are so dated. The challenge is to to update the clever way that the original poked fun at American consumerism,  our decline from being a world class manufacture, etc. Some of the best bits of Robocop were the clever fake TV Ads. To do the same thing wouldn't cut it, but at the same time there is an expectation, and thats the challenge, people have expectation set from the original, but they still want to be surprised when they see the remake, and to have their expectations exceeded and I think its possible to do with movies like Robocop.

 

But neither robocop nor terminator 1 consistently make the top 5  list of best sci-fi movies like Bladerunner, and they are re-making that too... which is another thread ;-)

Yes, those fake ads were funny, i hope they include those in a new Robocop, i can still hear that guy say "I'll take that for a dollar!". What do you mean by dumbing down in the last two terminator movies? Only thing different was not as much bare breasts and cussing in the last two. Every other word Edward Furlong said in T2 was a cuss word. I dont have a problem with that. The problem i had was consistency of actors. I would have liked to have seen Claire Danes in the fourth movie, would have been nice if Edward furlong could have played John Connor in 3 and 4 as well. 

[Gothneo]

The R rating on terminator 1, 2 and Robocop comes primarily from the use of violence, which can be quite effective when done right. Just look at something like Jango Unchained as an example.

 

When I said "Dumb Down" I was agreeing with Exelion's comment that studios recognize that a movies rating can effect the bottom line, and thus they will edit and remove content in order to get the lower rating.

 

This is fine if the context can be maintained. But something like Jango Unchained wouldn't be as effective if all the violence and gore were removed. A fundamental message that the writer/director wanted to convey would be missed. 

 

Actually, this is exactly what happened to Robocop. Originally, much of the violence and gore was intended to be more comedic, more satirical, but at the time, all that violence and gore got it an "X" rating, which the studio assumed wouldn't make money, so they recut it more than a dozen times until they got down to an "R" rating... but, according to articles online, many of the scenes became for serious and less satirical, so the context and meaning was lost. 

 

Which is another reason why a remake of Robocop might actually be better. If a movie like "Zack and Miri Make a Porno" can get an "R" rating by todays review boards, then just about anything short of an actual porno should be able to get an R rating. 

[Gothneo]

Terminator 3 was DOA, and the franchise just never got back on track.