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[Destructor!!!]

Can't wait to see the final version. Also, I saw further proof of the designer/CG builder being John Eaves (he recently posted several pictures of the ship to his facebook and instagram accounts, his only comments on them being 'USS Discovery'), so keep an eye on his accounts for more stuff in the future I'd say.

Any chance you could link those here? I've developed a distaste for Facebook, and never developed a taste for Instagram.

 

Also, from avidly reading his blog years ago, I have to say John Eaves rubs me the wrong way. His ship designs are good-to-great, but his personality is... not my cup of tea.

[1701D]

Putting aside the content of Star Trek: Discovery and what direction the series takes, I think this is the perfect platform for Star Trek to be on. Streaming is certainly where a lot of people watch TV series like Star Trek, Game of Thrones, Doctor Who etc...

I'm very excited about the freedom this gives the Star Trek writers that being on a network just wouldn't be able to give them.

Just imagine at the end of this series we see the classic 1701 commanded by Robert April!!! So so cool!

Star Trek lives!!

[1701D]

Any chance you could link those here? I've developed a distaste for Facebook, and never developed a taste for Instagram.
 
Also, from avidly reading his blog years ago, I have to say John Eaves rubs me the wrong way. His ship designs are good-to-great, but his personality is... not my cup of tea.

If you're not too adverse to YouTube, he sat down with Irish Trekkie and The Trek Collector to talk about Star Trek ship designs and they discuss Beyond and Discovery. It's a great video.

He's also been interviewed numerous times on Trekyards which is another brilliant channel.

Highly recommend them both.

The images Jay K is talking about are screenshots of the USS Discovery NCC - 1031 from the recent trailer. :-)

[djc242]

I wonder if we'll see Curzon Dax on this show!

[Morgan]

Brian Fuller shot down the Axanar rumors outright in one of the latest interviews, so this is quite interesting: an event referenced but not shown in TOS around 10 years before the TOS timeframe. Going to really have to think about this one because in TOS dialogue so much crazy stuff was referenced all the time, it's like: where do we even begin?

 

This is pretty much the major mystery leading up to the debut of the series, so Fuller is not likely to spill the beans on this one. Even if you've not seen much TOS but read the encyclopedia, there was some majorly weird events and concepts thrown around.

 

For those thinking it's some major conflict, the list of conflicts in that time period is pretty thin. There's the Fed-Klingon Cold War, which is a pretty fertile but non-specific event for plots, the Borg assimilation of the El-Aurian homeworld which they obviously can't touch in this series, the Battle of Donatu V between Federation and Klingons, Kodos' massacre on Tarsus IV... It's not a huge list.

 

Axanar seemed too obvious -- they wouldn't rip off the fan film script right then and there, that would be too distasteful a move. My money's on some kind of Klingon-Fed Cold War shenanigans.

[BadBunnyMike]

Jules! Theres another old face we havent seen in a while too!

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

Hi!

Well, there hasn't been much happening in the Trek world for a while - apart from the latest movie (which I've still yet to see!) and I'm so over endlessly speculating without something really concrete to discuss.

I think I have enough information for me to be excited about and we now have a smart TV and the wherewithal to stream so I'm good to go. The Germans LOVE Star Trek so I'm sure there'll be a great appetite for the new show over here and in the rest of mainland Europe.

Personally, a return to a little told part of Prime Universe canon is full of promise and I think we'll see Klingons and Romulans (although if canon is adhered to strictly) the new crew won't actually SEE any Romulans LOL!

Actually I love the idea of linking back to future using characters we know could have been around at the time. Maybe not Curzon Dax because I don't know if a Trill host could survive long enough to also have been a close friend of Sisko's, but maybe an earlier Dax. Also Guinan and maybe The Traveller.

I'm hoping for story arcs as well as episodes which can also stand alone and some original plots - so hopefully not shows like "The Naked Yesterday" and "There Maybe Some Trouble With Tribbles"!

I heard Amanda Grayson may feature, so that might lead to an exploration of a character who I always thought was potentially a lot more interesting than the two short appearances she actually made.

[Jay K]

Destructor: As 1701D said, they're just screenshots from the trailer, but here's the link to his page (scroll down for the Discovery pictures, possibly NSFW!):

https://www.instagra...hnmichaeleaves/

 

In regards to your thoughts on his political(ish) opinions, I completely agree with you. I won't elaborate - anyone who wants to know them need only look at his facebook page - but needless to say, I too completely disagree with them. He's very friendly and approachable all the same.

DJC: That'd be incredible - along with Kor, Kang and Koloth (especially Kor for me).

 

 

Random thing, but what's everyones thoughts on how they'll present the Klingons in Discovery? I really doubt they'll show them as they were from TMP-Enterprise, but I don't think they'll just go back to simple facial hair as in TOS. My guess is they'll do what TNG did to the Romulans, and give them very slight new features, mostly some very small 'bumps' where the ridges should be.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

 
In regards to your thoughts on his political(ish) opinions, I completely agree with you. I won't elaborate - anyone who wants to know them need only look at his facebook page - but needless to say, I too completely disagree with them. He's very friendly and approachable all the same.

I couldn't find Fuller's facebook page, but from what I've read elsewhere, I think his political views are very similar to mine and I'll leave it at that. I think he'll take Star Trek to the place I think it should have gone to years ago but I won't go into details.

Suffice it to say that I'm a Niner and he was a creative force in DS9 so immediately I'm happy. IMHO DS9 was the most evolved Trek iteration, but I don't think he's looking to retread those ideas. Hopefully his sense of a back to basics approach with a progressive outlook will have something to appeal to everyone.

As for Klingons - I think the bumpy forehead approach will smack too much of the Berman era and they'll go for a simpler, less Wagnerian Klingon - maybe one that harks back to the much slyer and suaver Klingons of TOS.

[1701D]

I couldn't find Fuller's facebook page, but from what I've read elsewhere, I think his political views are very similar to mine and I'll leave it at that. I think he'll take Star Trek to the place I think it should have gone to years ago but I won't go into details. .

I think Jay K was referring to John Eaves political views.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

Ah, thanks, I just assumed it was Bryan Fuller's!

Don't know about Eaves so I'll do some research!

[Edit] Done! He's my age and designed the Scimitar - so nothing to dislike there and no overt politics being expressed on facebook, unless the Eaves comment referred to the US politician of the same name!

Also 1701D, don't I know you from somewhere?

[Jay K]

Hey Jules, yes I was referring to John Eaves, the designer of the Enterprise-E, Scimitar etc. He definitely gets a pass as a Star Trek designer, and in my experience, as a friendly guy generally, but it's more his political views I dislike. Doesn't make me dislike him - everyone has opinions.

And yes, Bryan Fuller's two DS9 episodes are cracking. I'm planning to go through his Voyager episodes at some point (I've seen them along with the rest of the series years ago, but I want to refresh myself, which is where Netflix comes to the rescue).
He won't be writing the whole show of course - he's doing the first episode so far, but I'd like to have a better sense of what he brings to Trek, without the rose-tinted glasses of absolute love I have for DS9.

[Alteran195]

I wouldn't mind a mix of ridge less and ridged Klingons since not everyone of them was impacted by the virus or whatever it was.

[1701D]

I'd expect that the look of the Klingons will be a mix of bumpy foreheads like TNG and non bumpy foreheads like TOS. It would be explainable while providing something that looked cooler than just the plain humanoid features of TOS Klingons.

I'm really intrigued by what this series will look like because 10 years isn't really enough of a gap for it to look wildly different from TOS.

How are they going to show us this is a show set in our future when the tech has to look like its come from the 60's? That worries but also excites me as to how they'll do that.

[Jay K]

How are they going to show us this is a show set in our future when the tech has to look like its come from the 60's?

 

This is my main concern going into the show as well. Fair enough, this won't bother some people in the slightest, but one of the reasons I enjoy Star Trek is due to how 'established' everything is - and I really do tend to dislike it a lot when they decide to change things that have been established for fifty years. There's a reason TNG is set almost a century later...

Basically, I hope this 'event' in Trek history is as good as they make it out to be, because I think the ship and the show would be better off being set in the TMP+ era (the ships deflector dish, Grissom-like saucer features, and they could alter things without damaging the look too much).

But we'll see.

 

EDIT: Still immensely excited for this show, just hoping there's a solid reason for it to be another prequel.

[Morgan]

How are they going to show us this is a show set in our future when the tech has to look like its come from the 60's? That worries but also excites me as to how they'll do that.

 

ENT didn't really have this problem but the 60's look is merely a design style that can be made to look modern. The way I always saw it through TNG and DS9 was that the TOS interior design was a minimalist and colorful design direction of the time, one that may have been considered by the people of the TOS era as retro. But the first JJ movie did some good things with that style, and made it look like a plausible design direction of the future. One of the main visual differences between TOS, I suspect, will be that TOS interiors looked barren and undetailed.

 

My only real issue with the TOS look was the oversaturated sitcom lighting. Obviously, the new show can't keep that. Recall the huge difference in the lighting of TNG interior in the TV series and then in "Generation." Completely different, as "Generations" sets were lit by natural light sources from within, there was no guy with a white screen in front of the actors lighting them up like they were on a beach. If only "Generations" style lighting was used throughout the TV series.

[djc242]

 

If only "Generations" style lighting was used throughout the TV series.

 

I loved how everything looked in Generations!  John Alonzo did a brilliant job, especially with the Amargosa lighting in the Ready Room and Ten Forward.  Really all the interiors were awesomely lit.  I would be thrilled if DSC had a similar look.

 

The comment about "bending of time and space" leads me to believe DSC will not be staying in any particular time period for long.  Maybe the crew will be pursing another crew through alternate universes and different time periods.  This would not only allow the writers to visit familiar places from the other series but also leaves a door open to connecting to the Kelvin Timeline.

[Gothneo]

 Maybe the crew will be pursing another crew through alternate universes and different time periods.  This would not only allow the writers to visit familiar places from the other series but also leaves a door open to connecting to the Kelvin Timeline.

 

This maybe a bit sideways... but based on some fans comments of wanting Star Trek to be darker... edgier... I wouldn't mind if they did a short season of nothing but "alternate universe" Trek... I always enjoyed those episodes, and both VOY and ENT did some especially fantastic episodes.

 

It seems like they could have just flipped the idea of Star Trek around... complete dystopic universe that could comment on modern issues from that vantage. Heck I'd love to see how Empresses Sato's Reign went... it seems that narrative fits today's politics well!

[BadBunnyMike]

 

This maybe a bit sideways... but based on some fans comments of wanting Star Trek to be darker... edgier... I wouldn't mind if they did a short season of nothing but "alternate universe" Trek... I always enjoyed those episodes, and both VOY and ENT did some especially fantastic episodes.

 

It seems like they could have just flipped the idea of Star Trek around... complete dystopic universe that could comment on modern issues from that vantage. Heck I'd love to see how Empresses Sato's Reign went... it seems that narrative fits today's politics well!

 

That would be cool, but that couldn't be a stand alone series by itself to try and draw in a new crowd, you would have to know a lot of back story and know how it is an alternate universe without knowing the other Treks. It would be really cool to see, but wouldn't work as a show, a Web Series maybe tho. 

[Gothneo]

Isn't Discovery essentially relegated to a web series? I mean, specialized content that you have to stream off the web seems to be the way everything is going. People that are fans would get it... people that know nothing about Trek would just enjoy it.