QUOTE (JulesLuvsShinzon @ Oct 7 2009, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I know, a travesty that ran for seven seasons and four movies.
I think you've allowed yourself to be persuaded by the people who argued that the previous continuity stunted creativity when, in fact, it would have taken writers with a far higher level of creativity than Orci and Kurtzman to keep it going, and Hollywood is no longer up to that kind of challenge when there's easier bucks to be made by simply hitting the rewind button. Don't get me wrong, I found this movie enjoyable and thought it contained something of the spirit of TOS and some great Trek movie moments, but I am not fooled that this reboot will lead to any greater evidence of writers having been freed-up - especially since the plot of this movie borrowed heavily elements of previous Trek movies set in the Prime Universe (as we must call it now). Look around you and see the evidence of people rumouring a return of Khan, the Klingons, or the Borg - that looks less like creativity to me and rather more like pulling the same old toys out of the same old toy box.
How do you know? Seen the screenplay yet? I'd be excited by something I'd never seen before, which means NOT Khan, NOT the Borg, and no more Klingons!
I think you've allowed yourself to be persuaded by the people who argued that the previous continuity stunted creativity when, in fact, it would have taken writers with a far higher level of creativity than Orci and Kurtzman to keep it going, and Hollywood is no longer up to that kind of challenge when there's easier bucks to be made by simply hitting the rewind button. Don't get me wrong, I found this movie enjoyable and thought it contained something of the spirit of TOS and some great Trek movie moments, but I am not fooled that this reboot will lead to any greater evidence of writers having been freed-up - especially since the plot of this movie borrowed heavily elements of previous Trek movies set in the Prime Universe (as we must call it now). Look around you and see the evidence of people rumouring a return of Khan, the Klingons, or the Borg - that looks less like creativity to me and rather more like pulling the same old toys out of the same old toy box.
How do you know? Seen the screenplay yet? I'd be excited by something I'd never seen before, which means NOT Khan, NOT the Borg, and no more Klingons!
*clears throat* If you look at Khan , the Borg , AND Klingons , they are what made the Franchsie interesting to many people for many years . A band of protagonists without facing a convincing and furthermore fully developed antagonist , is just quite frankly dull and boring , Yes Nero had a back story writing out by the writers , but with so much of it being cut out from the movie , it required the avergae fan to either buy a comic book series or the novel .
With Khan we know his motivation .
Conquest . Power . By any means necessary .
With the Borg we know their motivation .
Assimilation of all cultures and technologies to add to their perfection.
With the Klingons , of the 23rd century era mind you , their motivation is conquer , to kill , and to fight . I think that the JJ-Verse Klingons would indeed add flavor and background to our ( and I use the word 'our' in the loosest way possible ) favorite villians and future allies .
Imagine if you will , that the writers took the Klingons and made them have tactics similar to that of many of the terrorist organizations of today , sending Klingons out to busy market places to detonate a photon grenade .
Now imagine further that the federation and the Klingons are thrown into a intellegence , counter intellgence war , where torture is being used by both sides in order to gain information (does anyone recall the mention of the as yet unseen Klingon Mind sifter?)
Make our crew face a worthy challenge , but also face what the Federation may or may not be doing , and how it would affect how the Klingons veiw the Federation and how the Federation veiw the Klingons through propoganda .
One of the worst mistakes made in Star Trek movies so far is giving us completely new aliens we have never heard of before and making us think they are a threat while trying to tell the stories of our heroes (the Sona anyone?)
Give the villains , who ever they might be a good and plausible reaosn for doing what theyleave it in the final cut . With all that was removed from Star Trek , it turned Nero into a 2 dimensional "black hat villain" who was evil for no other purpose than to be evil.
The Klingons , when evil most times have been honorably evil , as were the Borg , and Khan , they fully believe that they were justicfied in doing what they were doing .
In Star Trek 2009 we hear quickly that Romulus is destroyed killing Nero's wife , so he wants to make Vulcan and earth suffer by destroying both planets . Then suppossedly head back to Romulus of the 23rd century and solve the super-nova problem before it happens and take over as Preator as an avenging angel , which was part of the plan so I hear but never sa the light of day .
With the Klingons , one doesn'y have to get so into a complicated background story that portions will have to be cut out to save time , The Klingons do what they do because they want their Empire to expand .
There was an utter lack of Klingons in star Trek 2009 due to them being cut out as a part of Nero's back story (which helped to make Nero so 2 diemensional)
So un-original ? Perhaps . But everyone who is familar with TOS also knows that the ultimate villian on TOS was the Klingons . A Klingon story told from a fresh perspective would be very interesting IMHO .
That's just my 2 cents .
