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[iams001efni]

I had a similar issue, they skipped 88,89, and 96-99. I got the Daedalus and Bajoran ship a few weeks ago... it was odd. I guess I should email them...

[trekkier]

I'm glad it's not just me. I was going to give them a call today

[Starfleet Doc]

I dont have 98-99. Im confused why USS Rhode Island and Assimilated Borg Artic One are so in demand compared to the Daedalus (issue 100) that i received a few weeks ago. US customer service continues citing "out of stock" and no known restock dates. I was advised that id be emailed when the stock was in and had shipped to me and nothing before.

[tuvok47]

I received the Rhode Island and Arctic One, then the next shipment only had the Bajoran Freighter.  First time I've not gotten two in a shipment.

[trekkier]

When I called them yesterday, they pretty much said the "out of stock" line with no ETA on the skipped issues.

[Destructor!!!]

Well, that debate got tedious fast. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but 1701D said that the EM Enterprise-E was based on the "original" model.

 

That is not remotely true. It's a quite inaccurate model submitted by an FX company as an unsuccessful pitch for the Insurrection FX contract. It has never been seen on screen, and is therefore not screen-accurate. It was built by eye-balling VHS stills of First Contact for reference. With that in mind, it's impressively accurate, but way off in a lot of areas.

 

DST's model is the screen-used Nemesis CGI model. Yes, they probably had to make allowances for wiring, but EM had to make allowances for the ridiculously small scale of the first Enterprise-E release (and the model was muck to begin with!).

 

As for the Enterprise-D, yes - EM's source model was screen-used. I'm still undecided as to whether it's the Generations CGI model that was rebuilt for Foundation Imaging's work on DS9 and Voyager, or a re-tooling of Gabe Koerner's model used in the Enterprise finale. That one's proportions were all over the place.

 

In any case, the EM D isn't the best CGI model on the block - that would be the Tobias Richter/CBS-digital model used in the TNG Blu-Ray project.

[Razorgeist]

Well, that debate got tedious fast. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but 1701D said that the EM Enterprise-E was based on the "original" model.

 

That is not remotely true. It's a quite inaccurate model submitted by an FX company as an unsuccessful pitch for the Insurrection FX contract. It has never been seen on screen, and is therefore not screen-accurate. It was built by eye-balling VHS stills of First Contact for reference. With that in mind, it's impressively accurate, but way off in a lot of areas.

 

DST's model is the screen-used Nemesis CGI model. Yes, they probably had to make allowances for wiring, but EM had to make allowances for the ridiculously small scale of the first Enterprise-E release (and the model was muck to begin with!).

 

As for the Enterprise-D, yes - EM's source model was screen-used. I'm still undecided as to whether it's the Generations CGI model that was rebuilt for Foundation Imaging's work on DS9 and Voyager, or a re-tooling of Gabe Koerner's model used in the Enterprise finale. That one's proportions were all over the place.

 

In any case, the EM D isn't the best CGI model on the block - that would be the Tobias Richter/CBS-digital model used in the TNG Blu-Ray project.

 

Thanks for the info!  Im glad I know this now.

[AndyW]

That info about the Ent-E jumbo is fascinating, I knew it was a rubbish model (the small scale I can forgive, but the pics of the jumbo show so far don't impress me), but I had no idea of that back story. I'd be interested to ask Ben about it.

[1701D]

I'd be interested to see where Destructor got his info from :-)

[JMW326]

Thanks for the info!  Im glad I know this now.

Well, that debate got tedious fast. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but 1701D said that the EM Enterprise-E was based on the "original" model.
 
That is not remotely true. It's a quite inaccurate model submitted by an FX company as an unsuccessful pitch for the Insurrection FX contract. It has never been seen on screen, and is therefore not screen-accurate. It was built by eye-balling VHS stills of First Contact for reference. With that in mind, it's impressively accurate, but way off in a lot of areas.
 
DST's model is the screen-used Nemesis CGI model. Yes, they probably had to make allowances for wiring, but EM had to make allowances for the ridiculously small scale of the first Enterprise-E release (and the model was muck to begin with!).
 
As for the Enterprise-D, yes - EM's source model was screen-used. I'm still undecided as to whether it's the Generations CGI model that was rebuilt for Foundation Imaging's work on DS9 and Voyager, or a re-tooling of Gabe Koerner's model used in the Enterprise finale. That one's proportions were all over the place.
 
In any case, the EM D isn't the best CGI model on the block - that would be the Tobias Richter/CBS-digital model used in the TNG Blu-Ray project.

I actually have one of the Screen used CGI models of the D I would have been happy to donate but I don't remember which version it is. DS9 or Enterprise.

[Jay K]

New previews are up:

Klingon Bird of Prey in attack mode:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheyenne class USS Ahwahnee:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, the Jumbo NX-01:

[Razorgeist]

Well at least the Cheyenne looks good.

[Starfleet Doc]

Any updates fellow collectors?

[hobsgrg]

Unboxing of the jumbo Enterprise E

https://youtu.be/Li_qr7ZhcU8

[Jay K]

I hate being negative, I really do, but considering the amount of praise I've given Eaglemoss over the years (years...jesus lol!), I feel I should call out anything they get badly wrong.

 

This is the worst model I've seen them produce so far, by a long shot for me. I love the Enterprise-E, and obviously it'd take a lot to beat DST's version, but this is surprisingly bad. From the side view, the saucer and other areas (bussards) appear to be so 'thick' as to make it look like the early Playmates version. Why they didn't commission a new CG model for this upscaled size, I've no clue.

 

I still think they'll do a great job with Voyager (as the small model is so good anyway) and the Defiant, but I'll reiterate just once more, these jumbo ships have been such a let-down. I'm crossing my fingers that they'll do better with the Enterprise-C (which really does need an entirely new model), but I'm no longer hopeful.

 

EDIT: Forgot to say, thanks for posting the video Hobs.

 

EDIT 2: 1701D, any comment on the pylons seen at 3:46? They're about half-as-thick again as DST's version!

[Razorgeist]

 

I still think they'll do a great job with Voyager (as the small model is so good anyway) and the Defiant, but I'll reiterate just once more, these jumbo ships have been such a let-down. I'm crossing my fingers that they'll do better with the Enterprise-C (which really does need an entirely new model), but I'm no longer hopeful.

 

 

Yeah I think some of the better models like the Akira, Fed Scout, Delta Flyer, Prometheus and E-J would do better when upscaled.

[hobsgrg]

I was underwhelmed with the original E model and I was really looking forward to the jumbo E. The jumbo size suits much better but the bussards are terrible! Minor errors you only notice looking closely I'm not too bothered about, but even at a distance the bussards stick out like a sore thumb as clearly wrong. I'll still buy it though, but I expected better.

[Alteran195]

Ugh. That thing looks bad.

You can say EM listens to their customers all you want, but they sure haven’t with these jumbos yet. They just keep throwing them together and selling them without fixing anything.

I’m still hoping Voyager and Defiant don’t look bad when upscaled, because i really want good sized models of those ships.

[Destructor!!!]

I'd be interested to see where Destructor got his info from :-)

 
 
Memory Alpha references my story there, they refer to the failed-bid model by Doug Lombardi of Digital Muse being used on this book cover:
 

 
Note the blunt-edged and spread-open deflector trench compared to the physical model, and screen-used Insurrection CGI model.
 
I can't remember where the full history of this CGI model was laid out, I thought it was Doug Drexler's long-defunct blog, but I can't find full reference to it there now.
 
 

I actually have one of the Screen used CGI models of the D I would have been happy to donate but I don't remember which version it is. DS9 or Enterprise.

 
Fascinating! What format is it in? If you could post a render, I might be able to ID it.

As to the Eaglemoss E, yes, I wish they had used a different source model, but the level of detail on it looks very nice. I'm not sure there are any other pre-made models of the ship in that scale that can compete. Not a patch on the DST versions, though, obviously.

[Starfleet Doc]

Alright. I just spoke to one of the managing directors for subscribers for US customers. First up is that issues 98-99 had an issue with the factory only producing about 30% of what the order volume should have been. It is anticipated that they will be in stock by next week and shipped out immediately. If you dont see those issues in 2-3 weeks, id be giving them a call.

Secondly, for US subscribers at least, the collection has reached the final "100" issues that they were contracted to sell/distribute. So for all intents and purposes, the US Eaglemoss subscription is "over" because they havent received in anything further yet. Im not sure if this affects our friends in the UK. It is anticipated that those issues will be coming in early September and they will expand the collection to the 120 limit. So long story short, there shouldnt be a shipment for US customers in August unless they are behind in the subscription or have back issues due (like 98-99). Or of course, things change...🤞

I also pointed out that the project manager (Ben) stated the collection was 130 issues at this point, but the guy said the US customer care & distribution is subject to what is given to them through the system based in the UK. So no work arounds there.

I hope this information proves useful to my fellow American Trekkies and gives a bit of a timeline to hopefully an end to the logistics nightmare that is the US subscription. Or at least this current problem.

I saw another video comparing the Enterprise D oversized model to the regular issue Enterprise D. The color is SOOOO much better on the oversized but yeah, its still got lost of issues.

I looked at Diamond Selects Enterprise E (Nemesis) version and then side by side compared to an unboxing of the Eaglemoss Enterprise E.... im so disappointed at the quality and paint on the eaglemoss version. Its too white and yeah, those Bussard collectors are not right at all.

However, at a distance, they still look alright and most non-trekkies dont know the difference and even random non-die hard fans simply appreciate the vessels physical form as a model. Most people think i built my oversize 1701 myself which is a good thing i guess.

But as a collection completionist, ill probably end up buying these when theres another 30% off or something. Then my kids can sell my collection one day after i die for some cash or something. 😂