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Posted 20 July 2009 - 02:57 PM

Interesting questions. Interesting answers. No direct answer to the Ent-D missing windows (which is a non-problem to me anyway). Some juicy tidbits on the new ships, which sound a long way off.

Other than the ships, it seems that they are having a hard time marketing the action figures.



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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:12 AM

I know this is not strictly on topic as it were, but it's just been announced in the last couple of days that the TNG movies are getting the Blu-Ray treatment soon. I really hope that this can peak a little bit of interest in TNG merchandise again, because it's such a shame that DST aren't even considering things like the Mark IX Tric, or a model of Voyager. I'm not a Voyager series fan to be honest, but I have the Bandai model of her. Even though nothing could beat the quality of that model, I'd still buy an Art Asylum one. The ship I want is the Defiant, and it seems like they'll be making that within the next 5 years, so I can't complain too much there, but it's still a downer to know that I'll never own a DS9/Voyager era Phaser or Tricorder. I, like the guy in the Q&A, was ready to drop

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 05:16 AM

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 12:06 PM

Just had a TWOK Enterprise show up in my local Forbidden Planet so stock is still getting out there. It was so sool to see it, I snapped it right up.

From the blog, things may be looking much dicier for the action figures than the ships and Trek Tech. Can only hope that as the recession eases interest will pick up again I suppose. I so want those TMP figures lol....

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 05:18 PM

"As for a schedule, based on the time it took to release the Tricorder and D, we plan to NOT give out dates or actively solicit orders until the factory has a sample that is very close to the final product."

I'm glad they are finally learning not to announce release dates until the products are closer to production. That will save on a lot of headaches.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (knightone @ Jul 22 2009, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm glad they are finally learning not to announce release dates until the products are closer to production. That will save on a lot of headaches.
Agreed knightone; I'd rather DST not give us a release date than give us one that's nine months off the way that they did with the "D;" of course, I was just getting used to this pattern so I'm going to have to get used to accurate release dates from DST, which up until Chuck's latest blog would've been an oxymoron.

Speaking of Chuck's blog, something caught my eye. The following is a direct quote from DSTChuck in response to Jeremy Killion's question about the borg line:
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Posted 10 August 2009 - 02:06 PM

I agree with the "sold out" problem. Not all of us can spend $100+ dollars a month for toys. I would like to see a run last several months .. at least six .. before running out. I had hoped to buy the AGT also, but alas, its gone. I think DST needs to explain themselves. Are these really gone forever, like their other ships? Or is the 1st run just sold out? It is hard to support a product that you can't buy!



QUOTE (Alex @ Aug 10 2009, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, here's where I get confused. If you head over to Newforce Comics & Collectibles, and into the "Ships & Accessories" section under TNG, you'll find that as of 08/10/09 at 3:46P.M. EDT, everything except the BD 1701-E and the BD 1701-E "openers" are SOLD OUT. There are no Enterprise-Ds in stock, so here are my questions:

1. Why hasn't Rick ordered more Enterprise-Ds? Are there no more available, or did Rick simply order fewer Enterprise-Ds, than ships released in the past?
2. Is the reason the Enterprise-D needs to sell many more units to break even because of the saucer separation?
3. When Chuck said the Enterprise-D needs to sell more units to break even, does he mean more units from the current run, or does he mean that DST will need to do more production runs (thus incurring more expense) in order to break even on the Enterprise-D?

Basically I'm confused, on one hand a DST employee is telling us that the Ent-D needs to sell many more units to break even, on the other hand, Rick's own website has "SOLD OUT" in big red letters. I mean, I highly doubt that all of the Ent-Ds sold out within the past couple of weeks, and if they did, wouldn't DST want to do another production run, maybe with the "missing windows" this time? I'm just not sure what to make of this; I'm seeing mixed messages here. Any information is appreciated.



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Posted 10 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

There's a couple of things I can think of to explain this.

One is that NFCC is a preferred retailer for a lot of us - we all buy through Rick, and he buys enough to cover his demand with a bit leftover. There may be other retailers out there, including the local Comic Shop, that still have plenty in stock (since we're all buying from Rick smile.gif ). So going by NFCC might not be the best metric.

Also, you're right, it could very well be that DST can't cover all their costs with one run, and can cover it with a second. Toys have a large original outlay of fixed costs; the variable costs added on are much less expensive to recoup.


QUOTE (Alex @ Aug 10 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed knightone; I'd rather DST not give us a release date than give us one that's nine months off the way that they did with the "D;" of course, I was just getting used to this pattern so I'm going to have to get used to accurate release dates from DST, which up until Chuck's latest blog would've been an oxymoron.

Speaking of Chuck's blog, something caught my eye. The following is a direct quote from DSTChuck in response to Jeremy Killion's question about the borg line:

Now, here's where I get confused. If you head over to Newforce Comics & Collectibles, and into the "Ships & Accessories" section under TNG, you'll find that as of 08/10/09 at 3:46P.M. EDT, everything except the BD 1701-E and the BD 1701-E "openers" are SOLD OUT. There are no Enterprise-Ds in stock, so here are my questions:

1. Why hasn't Rick ordered more Enterprise-Ds? Are there no more available, or did Rick simply order fewer Enterprise-Ds, than ships released in the past?
2. Is the reason the Enterprise-D needs to sell many more units to break even because of the saucer separation?
3. When Chuck said the Enterprise-D needs to sell more units to break even, does he mean more units from the current run, or does he mean that DST will need to do more production runs (thus incurring more expense) in order to break even on the Enterprise-D?

Basically I'm confused, on one hand a DST employee is telling us that the Ent-D needs to sell many more units to break even, on the other hand, Rick's own website has "SOLD OUT" in big red letters. I mean, I highly doubt that all of the Ent-Ds sold out within the past couple of weeks, and if they did, wouldn't DST want to do another production run, maybe with the "missing windows" this time? I'm just not sure what to make of this; I'm seeing mixed messages here. Any information is appreciated.



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Posted 11 August 2009 - 02:13 PM

I hope they do run a second run of the AGT. Otherwise, what's the point of DST saying "we won't make money if we sell out the 1st run". But the Ent-D AGT is sold out from all "online" sources, even on DST's own web site. There is no "on backorder" message at DST or anywhere else. I think that discourages potential buyers from future sales. Also, no news from DST on this subject doesn't help either. Communication is the soul of good marketing = good sales.


QUOTE (thecapn @ Aug 10 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a couple of things I can think of to explain this.

One is that NFCC is a preferred retailer for a lot of us - we all buy through Rick, and he buys enough to cover his demand with a bit leftover. There may be other retailers out there, including the local Comic Shop, that still have plenty in stock (since we're all buying from Rick smile.gif ). So going by NFCC might not be the best metric.

Also, you're right, it could very well be that DST can't cover all their costs with one run, and can cover it with a second. Toys have a large original outlay of fixed costs; the variable costs added on are much less expensive to recoup.



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Posted 11 August 2009 - 03:14 PM

QUOTE (thecapn @ Aug 10 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a couple of things I can think of to explain this.

One is that NFCC is a preferred retailer for a lot of us - we all buy through Rick, and he buys enough to cover his demand with a bit leftover. There may be other retailers out there, including the local Comic Shop, that still have plenty in stock (since we're all buying from Rick smile.gif ). So going by NFCC might not be the best metric.
It's true that many/most of us purchase our ships from NFCC, when possible, but I did actually look into other retailers as well. As of now, BBTS only has "Substandard Grade" 1701-Ds in stock--basically the ones in the crushed boxes, analogous to Rick's "openers," so I'd say that if that's all another retailer has left, the ships have to be selling somewhere. I also looked at Mid-town Comics' website, because I know they usually have a good deal of Trek stuff. In their online inventory they have exactly one Enterprise-D left in stock. Not two, not three, not a case--one, uno, the loneliest number you'll ever see. I admittedly wonder how the local comic shops are doing; there aren't any in my area--there haven't been for years, (Wal-Mart killed them,) so maybe if I knew what the stock of the 1701-D was in those stores, I'd have a better picture of things, but it seems like this ship is sold out or selling out at virtually all other retailers that don't have excessive mark-up on their items. (ToyWiz comes to mind considering that they're selling the Enterprise-E for $99.99.)

QUOTE (thecapn @ Aug 10 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, you're right, it could very well be that DST can't cover all their costs with one run, and can cover it with a second. Toys have a large original outlay of fixed costs; the variable costs added on are much less expensive to recoup.
The Enterprise-E saw a second production run in 2007--it was how Rick got the BD 1701-E, so I'd think that DST would at the very least be planning another run of 1701-Ds, which hopefully will solve the break-even problem. You also make a valid point for my thread about convincing DST to reissue the 1701-A and 1701-E with minor retooling. I'm convinced that the majority of the cost outlay for both ships is already covered from their initial runs, and my proposed improvements could help fund those new molds we want to see like the upcoming Ent-B, Excelsior, BoP, and potentially the Ent-C one day. I'm convinced that the Ent-D also had a larger initial outlay than most ships because of the separating saucer.


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I hope they do run a second run of the AGT. Otherwise, what's the point of DST saying "we won't make money if we sell out the 1st run". But the Ent-D AGT is sold out from all "online" sources, even on DST's own web site. There is no "on backorder" message at DST or anywhere else. I think that discourages potential buyers from future sales. Also, no news from DST on this subject doesn't help either. Communication is the soul of good marketing = good sales.
CanOpener, don't quote me on this, but it's my understanding that the AGT-D was a "one-time only" item. It was a "Hastings Exclusive," meant to be like any other variant/exclusive that DST produces, such as the WNMHGB, The Cage, HD, and Mirror, Mirror 1701s, and the BD and Mirror Universe NX-01s, all of which were also given limited production runs. BigBadToyStore still has some AGT-Ds left in stock, but they might be a little more expensive than NewForce, and I think their packaging is also listed as Substandard Grade, so if the box matters you may wish to look elsewhere. However, I'd consider grabbing the ship from them if I were you before they sell out too if you really want to own one.

It seems like the variants that sold out the most quickly were the Mirror Universe NX-01 and the AGT-D, yet DST continues to milk the TOS 1701 mold for all its worth. I would think that if a variant, such as the AGT-D, sold as well as it did, DST would at least consider a second production run as a "non-exclusive" item, but then again, they never did reissue the Mirror Universe NX-01 and that also sold out rather quickly if memory serves.

What I don't get is that DST talks about having certain "key items," like Phasers, and Tricorders, and Kirk figures "always available," for sale, but they don't give the starships the same treatment. I can't go out and pick up another, updated 1701-A if I want to, I can't pick up an updated and reissued 1701-E, even in a "limited" 1701 production run, and once the Ent-D is totally sold out, it too will probably wind up in starship limbo begging for a reissue from the fans who didn't descend on the almost already sold-out first run. Even the original TOS 1701 seems difficult to find these days, which it shouldn't be when DST is churning out two variants of that ship. My worry is that the TOS 1701 will eventually be like the current run of Kirk figures: Just as Kirk-fanatics are happy to have a new head sculpt, TOS 1701 fanatics will be happy to have a "new orange slice sculpt" on their nacelles one day. Likewise, just as most of us are getting sick of "all Kirk all the time," most of us will also get sick of "all TOS 1701 variants all the time" eventually. I'm hoping that "we need to sell more units to break even" also means that DST needs to produce more 1701-D units to break even. If they want to go variant happy with the 1701-D to meet that goal, it's better than a seventh variant (sixth if you don't count the gold Japanese-exclusive 1701) of the TOS 1701. At least one of the Galaxy-class ships in DS9 had the "phaser-strip" warp-engines from the AGT-D, so DST could do that ship as a variant, and there are a slew of other Galaxy-Class variants that come to mind as well (U.S.S. Odyssey, U.S.S. Yamato, and so on,) that DST could use to ensure that they break-even on the mold if the problem is that they need further runs of the Enterprise-D.

I think that this might be worthy of a question for "Ask DST," unless someone like Rick with "inside information" can shed some light on the situation, or someone like DSTChuck decides to post on TrekToy and let us know whats going on. In truth, I could use another run of the standard Ent-D; if they add the windows to the "neck," that's great, if not, well I'd like to have a better quality box for the ship I'm keeping sealed than the one I have now, so either way, another run would be more than welcome on my end.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 03:11 PM

I agree with you. I think (and somebody correct me if I am wrong) that producing more ships would increase profit and pay off the build process (CAD designs, molds, etc.). DST says as much on their latest blog. Like you say, we could see the Yamato and others. I don't understand the reasoning behind an "exclusive" ship. These are toys, with people lined up to buy them. I can see maybe saying for the first 6 months only certain stores can sell them .. but why disappear after that? How can they be making money? It is a real mystery to an old guy like me.

But then again, I'm mad at Disney for waiting 30 years to release Dr. Syn alias The Scarescrow on DVD, but only making 70,000 copies (in a nation of 300 million people) so it sells out in 2 1/2 weeks. They must teach this type of marketing in some liberal school somewhere. Sounds socialist to me. Everything is a collectible and only available for people with ready cash. unsure.gif <no flames .. just kidding ... sort of) wink.gif

Well, at least I have time to sve up for the BOP and Excelsior class ships. Now I know to grab everything at once.

Also, Big bad Toys came up in another discussion. Are they okay to shop with? I've heard some discouraging words online.

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QUOTE (Alex @ Aug 11 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... CanOpener, don't quote me on this, but it's my understanding that the AGT-D was a "one-time only" item. It was a "Hastings Exclusive," meant to be like any other variant/exclusive that DST produces, such as the WNMHGB, The Cage, HD, and Mirror, Mirror 1701s, and the BD and Mirror Universe NX-01s, all of which were also given limited production runs. BigBadToyStore still has some AGT-Ds left in stock, but they might be a little more expensive than NewForce, and I think their packaging is also listed as Substandard Grade, so if the box matters you may wish to look elsewhere. However, I'd consider grabbing the ship from them if I were you before they sell out too if you really want to own one.

It seems like the variants that sold out the most quickly were the Mirror Universe NX-01 and the AGT-D, yet DST continues to milk the TOS 1701 mold for all its worth. I would think that if a variant, such as the AGT-D, sold as well as it did, DST would at least consider a second production run as a "non-exclusive" item, but then again, they never did reissue the Mirror Universe NX-01 and that also sold out rather quickly if memory serves.

What I don't get is that DST talks about having certain "key items," like Phasers, and Tricorders, and Kirk figures "always available," for sale, but they don't give the starships the same treatment. I can't go out and pick up another, updated 1701-A if I want to, I can't pick up an updated and reissued 1701-E, even in a "limited" 1701 production run, and once the Ent-D is totally sold out, it too will probably wind up in starship limbo begging for a reissue from the fans who didn't descend on the almost already sold-out first run. Even the original TOS 1701 seems difficult to find these days, which it shouldn't be when DST is churning out two variants of that ship. My worry is that the TOS 1701 will eventually be like the current run of Kirk figures: Just as Kirk-fanatics are happy to have a new head sculpt, TOS 1701 fanatics will be happy to have a "new orange slice sculpt" on their nacelles one day. Likewise, just as most of us are getting sick of "all Kirk all the time," most of us will also get sick of "all TOS 1701 variants all the time" eventually. I'm hoping that "we need to sell more units to break even" also means that DST needs to produce more 1701-D units to break even. If they want to go variant happy with the 1701-D to meet that goal, it's better than a seventh variant (sixth if you don't count the gold Japanese-exclusive 1701) of the TOS 1701. At least one of the Galaxy-class ships in DS9 had the "phaser-strip" warp-engines from the AGT-D, so DST could do that ship as a variant, and there are a slew of other Galaxy-Class variants that come to mind as well (U.S.S. Odyssey, U.S.S. Yamato, and so on,) that DST could use to ensure that they break-even on the mold if the problem is that they need further runs of the Enterprise-D.

I think that this might be worthy of a question for "Ask DST," unless someone like Rick with "inside information" can shed some light on the situation, or someone like DSTChuck decides to post on TrekToy and let us know whats going on. In truth, I could use another run of the standard Ent-D; if they add the windows to the "neck," that's great, if not, well I'd like to have a better quality box for the ship I'm keeping sealed than the one I have now, so either way, another run would be more than welcome on my end.



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Posted 12 August 2009 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (CanOpener1256 @ Aug 12 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They must teach this type of marketing in some liberal school somewhere. Sounds socialist to me. Everything is a collectible and only available for people with ready cash. unsure.gif <no flames .. just kidding ... sort of) wink.gif

Well, at least I have time to save up for the BOP and Excelsior class ships. Now I know to grab everything at once.

Also, Big bad Toys came up in another discussion. Are they okay to shop with? I've heard some discouraging words online.

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Sounds more capitalistic (which we definitely are) than socialist to me. In fact, sounds the opposite of socialist. smile.gif

Regarding BBTS, I have ordered quite a bit from them and it has always gone smoothly. I once got a Data who had a horribly messed up eye paint application, so much so that he looked blind in one eye, and they quickly sent out another one and told me to not worry about sending the other back.


Also, regarding the Enterprise-D, I got the last regular D at my local Hastings, and there are still 2 AGT D's there as well.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE (spider1981 @ Aug 12 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds more capitalistic (which we definitely are) than socialist to me. In fact, sounds the opposite of socialist. smile.gif


I thought the same exact thing!!

As for the exclusive ship concept....what it does is force people to buy two of the same item with minimal changes/expenses made by the company. I myself love variant ships because it gives me the opportunity to get a fleet that has some variation. Obviously the TOS Enterprise is a great example because DST hooked me for 5 ships whereas Playmates only got me for one. So for the extra tooling and paint apps they get a heck of a lot more bang for their buck. The other benefit is the rental of the factory itself. Im sure they do some sort of deal where the price of time decreases when more is purchased or a minimum amount is needed to be purchased. So instead of making more of just the original TOS, they vary it up so they can sell more product. I would assume (and I stress assume) that the main expenses are the tooling and then the factory time. So if you dont plan on rerunning the orginal ship for a second release then a variant ship really isnt needed. I would also assume that if DST saw enough demand for a second run of the AGT then they would go ahead and do that, but I may suspect that it would take place of a 3rd Ent-D variant.

To answer your question directly, DSTs variants are not meant to stay in stock for long. Its been the case with the Cage/WNMHGB Ent, its the case for the shortpacked figure, now the case with the AGT and I assume will be the case with either the Ent-B/Exclesior.


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Posted 13 August 2009 - 04:27 PM

Off topic alert! Off topic alert! blink.gif

I'm not so sure. Capitalism will make a product and sell it to anyone who has money. Lots of product, makes lots of money. Under socialism (or, actually, as a direct result of its policies), little product only goes to certain select people who have contacts, time and lots of cash (as opposed to just a little cash). I sometimes feel that in today's world, if you are not part of the heaving mass waiting in line at 8am on a "release" Tuesday at Best Buy, you are out of luck on some items.

My concern (and my opinion alone), is that this is a trend that I have been seeing develop in many places among many products, an "exclusive" or "limited" mentality. It seems everything is a 'collectors" item nowadays. Over the years, I think it has increased. Or I'm just getting older and grumpier. Or, I'm just nuts and seeing things. biggrin.gif Who knows? <and I'm not taking a poll >


[quote name='spider1981' date='Aug 12 2009, 10:11 PM' post='44540']
Sounds more capitalistic (which we definitely are) than socialist to me. In fact, sounds the opposite of socialist. smile.gif



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Posted 13 August 2009 - 07:36 PM

Yeah.... lets not talk politics please... lets keep the topic about toys.

Feel free to gripe all you want about not getting what you want at the price you want to pay w/o politicizing it.



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Posted 14 August 2009 - 08:48 AM

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Yeah.... lets not talk politics please... lets keep the topic about toys.

Feel free to gripe all you want about not getting what you want at the price you want to pay w/o politicizing it.



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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (CanOpener1256 @ Aug 14 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" - biggrin.gif


King of the who?.... well done!

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 03:58 PM

Ha! Ok that is funny!

Quoting an "Anarcho-Syndicalist" about being "repressed" from griping about capitalism! roflmao.gif

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:48 PM

When will the next Question/Answer session be posted by Art Asylum? Is it monthly, or every certain number or weeks, or whenever they feel like posting?

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:02 PM

The Q&A is put up every Monday, but it alternates 4 subjects; Trek, Minimates, BSG/Stargate, and misc. So, basically each subject is covered once a month.




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