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#1 Gothneo

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 02:25 PM

The article is over on the cool toy review site...

http://www.cooltoyre...Line_128516.asp

They also have a number of year end review wrap ups... a good read in all!


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Despite how incredible the J.J. Abrams helmed Star Trek feature film was, what was offered at the toy shelves was a massive disappointment. The figures based on the film looked like they were produced in the mid Nineties, and we were all left wanting. At the same time, Diamond Select Toys continued to offer outstanding figures based on the Original Series and The Next Generation, but for what ever reason, the DST line didn't get any love from retail buyers, and as such the collecting community was unable to buy incredible Star Trek figures. Moving forward to 2010, DST still seems to be having trouble getting the attention of the retail buyers, even though their figures are far better than most of the stuff found in the toy aisle these days, and it might be time for us in the toy collecting community to raise our arms and say in unison we want our DST Star Trek figures! If you haven't familiarized yourself with this spectacular line, follow this link and check out our Star Trek Photo Archive. Incidentally, we've just added the Captain Kirk with Commander Chair -The Trouble With Tribbles version. Follow the above link to check it out, and for goodness sakes, go down to your local Toys "R" Us and demand more Diamond Select toys Star Trek figures before it is too late!


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 03:16 PM

To be quite honest, I hope DST loses the license. I think it

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 03:53 PM

Ok... but what does that have to do with the topic...

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Andy @ Jan 3 2010, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be quite honest, I hope DST loses the license. I think it

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

Once again we are at the point in the road that I will insist that we stick CLOSE to the topic at hand and that is about the article.

http://www.cooltoyre...Line_128516.asp

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 04:49 PM

Under appreciated to a degree because there are so few outlets for these figures avalable for people to actually see these, especially casual shoppers. You really have to know what you are looking for already to find these. The vast majority of people, other than diehard fans probably have no idea that these figures even exist.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Gothneo @ Jan 3 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok... but what does that have to do with the topic...


Well, the article concludes by saying that we should run out to TRU and demand that they stock the DST Trek line or else it might fail, but TRU already has stock on the DST Trek line and it doesn't (at least in my experience) seem to be moving. I don't know why we should go out and demand that a toy store stock something that many of us have while the store in question has plenty of stock already. It seems to me that a much better idea would be for DST to maybe take a little risk here and move some of the canceled items into TRU - expose the line a bit further by adding some different characters into the mix - show what the company can do! Just a suggestion, of course.


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 06:01 PM

Their point isn't for current DST collectors to demand more shelf-warming product, but rather that new people go to TRU, check out the product that is already there is to offer, and raise demand for more (new) product to be released. If people did this, then DST could very easily offer up the canceled product to TRU.

The article was pretty good, and they raise a good point. Although, and I know this is beating a dead horse, but I think DST could help that lack of appreciation if they started looking into advertising.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 08:17 PM

My local Toys R Us won't carry DST Trek products.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:56 PM

Under appreciated? That's ridiculous. The quality of their work may be superlative, but I find it hard to appreciate a company that puts their customers through so much grief with the constant delays and cancellations. I got my first chance to see how many DST products are at ToysRus when I went to the U.S. on vacation last month (I'm from Canada), and I was disappointed that all they had was stuff that nobody could possibly want to buy because it's so old that anybody who might want any of the products would have bought them long ago.

For example, they had Mirror Kirk, Mirror Spock, and "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" 2 packs. Instead of stocking stores with the same old stuff or slightly tweaked re-releases over and over again and then bitching that they're not selling enough or getting enough pre-orders, they ought to try putting out something new once in awhile. rolleyes.gif

I keep thinking about that Simpsons episode where all the stupid preteen girls get ecstatic about the new Malibu Stacy doll that looks exactly the same as the old one, except it has a NEW HAT. Why should people who bought wave 1 figures back in 2003 be interested in re-releases that are exactly the same aside from some minor paint alterations? We're supposed to get excited over that instead of new characters we've never seen before or improved head sculpts for established characters? Laughable.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:30 PM

I thought it was a great line back when Toyfare ran a complete photo guide a few years back that coincidentally got me back into collecting trek figures. Now all of the has a shadow cast over it not because of what we actually have but of what we know we might have gotten if different circumstances were present. However, what we do have is pretty impressive if you collect all the variants. Also from a toy-making perspective I think the line is great. What other lines do you get this many accessories with each figure/set? Every company is falling into the reuse of parts, cheapening up paint-jobs, etc etc, but what DST releases is usually above the standard on most of those.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 03:56 PM

Well, this time of the year, many Toy Blogsite are running awards, and quite frankly I was surprised to see such an entry as "Under appreciated" let alone that DST trek had gotten Cool Toy Review's Nod for that! So I thought I'd post it.

Obviously it's debatable if the line deserves such a nod or not, but it seems obvious that the editors of Cool toy review do like the line, so they gave it a nod and maybe it'll get some publicity out to people not aware of it.

But I think VF has the spirt of the article.

QUOTE (VulcanFanatic @ Jan 3 2010, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Under appreciated to a degree because there are so few outlets for these figures avalable for people to actually see these, especially casual shoppers. You really have to know what you are looking for already to find these. The vast majority of people, other than diehard fans probably have no idea that these figures even exist.


Thanks VF!


QUOTE (Thomas E. Johnson @ Jan 3 2010, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My local Toys R Us won't carry DST Trek products.


Mine seems to have stopped ordering them too...

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 04:58 PM

I just think this is the situation...If they had more retail outlets carying the figures then I'm sure that they would make it out on time. But they don't, and they are trying to keep TRU happy by getting their lines out as close to the release date as possible ya know. But as for lines that wont hit regular shelves then I think it is hit or miss with them.

Under appreciated I believe works for this line, but like someone said before, the shadow that they've cast over collectors isn't a pretty one, and the fact they are teasing us with figures only to have them snatched away is pretty messed up. I mean that only happened a few times with 90's Playmates, every once in a while they showed something and not released it, but with DST it is becoming a normal part of their marketing.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 12:32 AM

It's an interesting article but i think its under appreciated for a very good reason - it's just not good enough for ANYONE to really think WOW those are AMAZING! I MUST HAVE THEM - whilst they have produced toys that are better than Playmates offerings last year they still lack behind a lot of other TOY companies - most noticeably Hasbro with their Star Wars line and on the other side of the scale DST are in no way competitors with NECA or MEZCO so i beg the answer to this question; what the hell IS Diamond Select Toys? is it a toy company like Playmates or Hasbro or is it a toy company like NECA and MEZCO.

They have an entire legacy of characters at their sculptors hands from 5 series and 10 movies. If we are to appreciate their Star Trek line they need to improve greatly on their figure's quality and not just re-release figures made 10 years ago, to stop judging what they release on pre-sales and to look at a wider picture than just sales in the US - sure it's probably the biggest market for Trek but there are other countries out there but most of all DST if you want us to follow CTR advice, do something amazing and never before done and do it without delays without a bad build and something that is on the same level and standard as a NECA figure or even your won Marvel line.

Theres nothing new about it and I'm sorry but the quality is dire - retailers are probably sick of customers bringing DST items back and having to dish out refunds - i have a few friends who work for FP in the UK and DST are notorious for being a company that lacks the quality that NECA and MEZCO offer - even in these hard times. DST has really no reputation - it's a nothing company really and unfortunately it seems that DST have been over shadowed in both specialist and major retail stores by companies such as NECA, MEZCO, McFarlane, and Hasbro respectively.

off topic no i don't think so, hard for some to swallow perhaps but i feel that this might just be the larger consensus outside these four padded walls at trektoy.com - DST are a company with no identity or anything that sets them apart from the others - they are a slap bang middle of the road company with nothing that makes people want to go out and buy Diamond Select rather than NECA or Hasbro.

Give the license to someone like NECA or McFarlane or Hasbro and I'm sure sales will increase. For the first time in their license DST can't blame Star Trek for the failure of their line - this is DST's fault and i for one am sick of being persecuted because i say negative things that are to be honest very true.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE (New Frontier @ Jan 8 2010, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i for one am sick of being persecuted because i say negative things that are to be honest very true.


No... they are YOUR opinion. They are only honest and true from YOUR perspective. They aren't facts New Frontier (at least most of them aren't). See this is where we differ. I'm not a fan of what playmates produced for the 2009 movie. I think they are terrible, however, I voiced MY opinion, I gave the reasons I didn't like that line and unless there is something new... actually new to talk about, I don't make a point to go over to the playmates section and attempt to ruin the mood by saying the same thing again and again and again. In fact it's quite the opposite. I feel bad for fans of the line that aren't going to get what they like!

Your not being "Persecuted" New Frontier, not in the least! You have a perspective, you have a an opinion, you like to share it. Repeatedly! And that's cool! So... why are you letting it bother you when people disagree with you? Repeatedly?!!

But I digress... maybe I should take a cue from VF and simply respond by posting this...


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I do agree (and I think this was one of your points, so please correct me if I'm wrong) that Star Trek, as and action figure line, is probably quite boring to most people and probably especially boring to children. I personally think that most adult collector lines, including ones from NECA and MEZCO are probably "Under appreciated" these days. That, I would contend, is simply a matter of the economics of the times. Action figures, as a collectible, seemed to reach a sort of "Silver Age" in the 90's and lots and lots of junk was produced as a result... that age is over and, I think, we are still seeing the contraction of businesses that started up during that time. NECA and Mezco seemed to have weathered the storm thus far, but I've never found anything appealing about their products, so while switching licenses may gain a customer, they will probably loose a customer for every one they gain. I would say that fans of the DST BSG line, which has a much anticipate wave in the same limbo as the TOS wave 5, would consider the BSG line as under appreciated too!

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:21 AM

If i were to think like a NON Star Trek fan and walked into a TRU and saw the Playmates Star Trek figures there and honestly thought about them, i would say that they are pretty boring, just guys with different color clothes on that dont look particularly interesting, except maybe the guy with elf ears(wasnt he in Lord of the Rings?) So i can understand why people who are not Star Trek fans dont care about the figures. They probaby would think that the DST/AA figures hanging next to the playmates figures look much nicer, but still uninteresting. I see many figure lines in TRU, and i look at them and admire the sculpts, likenesses, detailing and all but as good as many of them look, i am not into them because they dont hold my interest the way Star trek does. I look at the Star Wars stuff when i am there too, but i rarely buy any of it, regardless how good it looks.

I guess my point is that it doesnt really matter how good the sculpts, likenesses, detailing, accessories, or packaging is, the only thing that really matters is whether or not you like the show or character. I dont think people start being a Star Trek fan because they bought Star Trek figures, i think they buy Star Trek figures because they are a Star Trek fan. I heard once that for a consumer to buy this kind of merchandise , he has to gain comfort from it and if it does not offer that, he will not buy it. I buy things i like, that interest me, not because they have a better sculpt than another line. Mattel could make a Avatar Jake Sully figure that is so life like that it looks real, feels real, smells real but since i dont care about collecting Avatar figures, i wouldnt buy it.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:44 PM

Great rebuttles from both Goth and VF. Another thing to consider NF, you are looking at things from a different perspective because of where you live. As I don't live in the UK, I can't comment on the amount of specialty stores you guys have, but our's are getting smaller. FYE, who bought out Suncoast a few years ago, is now closing their doors. I'm not sure if the company is going online or just shutting down completely. So because of this, we've lost another store here in the states and the only one's left(correct me if I'm wrong guys) are Spencer's & Hot Topics. Both don't carry the Trek or BSG license, which leaves only our local comic book stores. Who carry most of the DST library: BSG, Marvel Select, Minimates in limited quantity. Unfortunately the lcbs in my area are rethinking collectibles to insure they stay in business. That's probable why DST is working so hard with TRU to get them to carry their lines, all of their lines in the toy aisle.

Unfortunately as Gothneo pointed out, gone are the days of ordering over capacity due in part to the economic climate. TRU, like most other retailers, are structured by how much revenue they bring in and their location. Which is why only a few of us are finding new Star Trek figures at the moment, let alone some of the exclusive merchandise. I've also heard you mention other toy companies, that are also small companies compared to Mattel, Hasbro & Bandai, who's lines dominate the toy aisles in all of our major & local retailers. No one can compete with that, especially small companies like DST, Mezco, McFarlane & NECA. I'm not sure about abroad, but here in the states they are relegated to maybe 4-6' of aisle space. At this point I think you are thinking like a fan and not seeing things from a business side. If DST can't make the line work in the specialty market, who can or would be stupid enough to take the line over.

I'm sorry, but no amount of advertising is going to fix the situation. As VF pointed out, this line isn't directed at casual fan's, but fans who loved the show. For the most part the line is advertised in things we read, Star Trek magazine, Wizard, Toyfare ect. Where else are they supposed to advertise? They have a voice in just about every forum I belong to and even one's that have gone off my product. My feeling is if the line ends, the license needs to rest for a bit. No one should take over the license, because as someone pointed out, all they are going to do is re-release the same characters again. Not to mention it would be like when Hasbro took over the Marvel Legends license from Toybiz. The new product might not live up to the expectation of the fans or they would change the scale of the line and your old figures wouldn't fit in with your AA/DST collection. In regards to you feeling perscuted by your peers in the forum, you'll have to reflect on that in the mirror.

Because honestly you only have yourself to blame. I've known you and your several name changes on several forums and one thing is clear to me, no matter who has the license, you aren't happy with the line. Before DST took over the line, you were bashing AA. Now that DST has it, you are bashing them. On several occassions you've said that you are done with the line, yet your venomous attacks continue. I have no doubt, if the line continues elsewhere, you'll be praising DST and bashing the new kid. You aren't constructive in your criticism. Some of my best friends and I differ on opinions on several lines, including DST. Yet we are still able to seperate that and remain friends. You on the other hand seem to constantly revel in the fact of derailing threads and spreading disinformation of things you clearly know nothing about.

All that does is end up pissing off the community and I'll admit it, I don't like you. For the most part, I'm a fairly easy going guy, but when something sticks in my craw, like you do, I have to finally say enough is enough. I think the community would be better if you just went away because of the way you conduct yourself in it and several over the years. That's not my call though, as I'm just a member. I'll end this by apologizing to my fellow members and the staff of this forum for derailing this thread further. I've just reached a point where I can't remain neutral when it comes to this guy. I just think there is a point where diplomacy ends and tough love begins. He either gets it or doesn't and clearly he doesn't. I'd hate for him to scare off a new member or exisiting member who disagrees with his opinions. Just like mine, they don't reflect the majority of the forum. I'm more than willing to accept any punishment the staff feels is deemed appropriate. I just needed to finally get this off my chest.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:21 PM

What is there to really get? this is a forum to share opinions on action figures, yes thats right, not life threatening issues or something of any importance, but action figures. So you don't like me.. so what, just put me on ignore and get on with your life and let the mods decide wether or not holier than art thou should remain here.

It's simple this line is under appreciated because it sucks. The quality is bad, the management is awful, the direction is lacklustre, the delays are unforgivable, the re-use of body parts is indescribable, the... need i go on, and i quite agree with Donster on the idea of diplomacy ending and tough love beginning - it has nothing to do with comic book shops closing, there are a lot of other places for people to get their figures from but it seems they really don't want to and why should they? Not being a big fan of Star Trek, being a huge fan of Star Trek or perhaps being a Kid who loved the new movie or someone older who loved the movie or a collector like many here, none of it really make a blind bit of difference to me as to why these figures simply won't sell and have become under appreciated and unreleased - What DST produces now and what has been put on show at TRU has been done before by Art Asylum almost 10 years ago. Star Trek figures were never going to be the most exciting of action figures since Star Trek has pretty much become popular with an audience older than your average action figure buyer as well as Star Trek itself appealing to the older viewer (lets not have the time old excuse "but my son watches it or but i am only 16" it's besides the point because in a way i am preaching to the converted. Its a general known fact that Trek has perhaps become more appealing to the older sci-fi viewer 25 - old age) but AA did a bang up job - DST are not doing anything new so they are both boring and old news, just look at many of the review sites out there - none will have reviewed a Star Trek figure in yonks - there's nothing new or exciting about this line, it's dead, done, finished and over - and probably the biggest FACT around here is that no Kid under 15 (unless growing up with a dad or mum watching it) will care one iota about a William Shatner action figure or a Leonard Nimoy figure or a Gorn because they can't relate to it and don't know it because it's old fashioned and cheesy and probably pretty boring to a 12 year old and younger, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are the same, no kid will even remember those series and why should they? TNG was a slow, "look within yourself for the solution" series, DS9 was about dark issues, war, disease, lesbianism, the battles were few and far between over the 7 seasons and none of this appeals to kids, Voyager was pretty much the same, dealing with more grown up issues that would put any kid to sleep unless they've grown up with it watching it with Mum and Dad, and Enterprise, well if most of the fanbase didn't catch it and love it why should kids ever realise it existed unless again your reading this as a member of this board and have kids. Sure the product might look OK to a kid but hanging alongside brands that have been staples of toy shops around the globe for decades, kept growing and kept going since their conception by new and relevant TV shows and movies to keep the interest there, well it's like asking your kid to play with grandpa rather than your cool uncle who understands what you want, it's like DST saying "look kids, here's a toy it's from a series that was made before you were born you can play with it sure but you wont really know or understand it because the series this character is from is over 40 years old and really hasn't remained popular with the kids because of all the other Star Trek series being far too complex/talky/boring for the general kid who loves things like Star Wars and GI-Jo and Transformers" and apart from the avid collector which is hardly a big market no one over the age of 30 unless you frequent message boards like this one here, is going to want a collection of action figures, sure Joe Bloggs might get bought a Captain Kirk action figure as a gimmicky present but I'm sorry DST has got it completely wrong by offering people who simply aren't all that bothered or interested, a huge selection of figures that really can't be supported by a small collecting base of fans. Add in the fact you now have 20 plus versions of the same character, countless re-paints and re-releases, eventually even that small collecting base is going to stop collecting thus your left with an under appreciated line and a problem DST face at this time.

Granted times are tight, sales figures are down and companies/shops are folding faster than towers made of cards but like the franchise before it, DST's line has become old and stale with only a select group of followers sticking with it. Like JJ Abrams did with the franchise perhaps the same has to happen with the merchandise, a new company, a new vision and a new direction that appeals to a broader audience - Hasbro rather than Playmates is one company who i think would work really well in producing a broad range of figures for kids and collectors and i hope that come 2012 it's Hasbro's Star Trek line that joins the likes of Star Wars and Transformers - it gives Star Trek a chance to become exciting to kids with Hasbro's well established line of cross-over Transformers, titaniums, role-play and much more that kids know and love. Older? and don't want a toy then QMx is there to do high quality merchandise ranging in price from the sublime to the ridiculous, eFx too producing again high quality items also ranging in price and for the band of fans who don't want toys but don't want to spend hundreds well there just isn't enough of you to support a line from DST for them to make it a quality line - and besides, if it has Star Trek on the label most die-hards will buy it anyway regardless of it being Hasbro or QMx.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 10:30 PM

This situation is under review. Please stay on topic and refrain from directly attacking anyone in this thread.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 10:33 PM

Not to be too off-topic, but in response to Don's FYE comment.. I don't think they're shutting down totally. I did see one closing in Tennessee on our trip, but also saw one staying put, and all the ones around here don't seem to show any signs of disappearing. smile.gif




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