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[slayerone76]

Let's keep this FUN, but I was wondering if you had any moments, bits, reoccurring motifs that get you riled up or bothered.

I've been watching season 1 of TOS and noticed that Spock never actually looks at his tricorder. How the heck does he know what's going if he never looks at the screen? Does he use his Vulcanian telepathy?

[JMW326]

How about in TNG whenever there is a discussion scene with most of the crew about how to do anything Dr Crusher is the one that always asks some ridiculous question that has to be explained (for the audience benefit).

Also in later seasons of TNG it rarely seemd like anyone was in a big hurry to do anything. No one hardly ever ran anywhere. They would have an intruder alert and here comes security and Worf or security and Riker walking around the corner phasers in hand. The only person that ever realy showed a sense of urgency was Geordi which brings me to the next one.

Every couple of seasons there was some emergency or time travel episode where they showed the Enterprise exploding but it was always becuase of a coolant leak. So Geordi would starting yelling "Coolant leak" We have a Coolant Leak" and then jump and roll under the door as it was about to close.

[Commodore Kor'Tar]

There are several instances with Data that get me. For instance in TNG's Descent Part 2 when Data is experimenting on Geordi they discuss about a trip they took to a lake and how Data sunk to the bottom of the lake because he didn't have the ability to float and it took weeks to get the water out of his servos.

Then later in Insurrection Picard, Anij, and Data leap out of the holoship and into a lake and Data can now be used as a floatation device. And he also did the underwater walk in that same lake, and yet after both instances he appears to be fine.

Also, In Generations after getting the emtion chip installed it was said to have fused into his nueral net, and Picard convinces Data to stay on duty to help with the mission and deal with his flood of emotions. Later on in First Contact, we discover that Data can now turn off his emotion chip, if he could do that all along why didn't he do that in First Contact? Then in Insurrection we find out that Data has the ability to remove and install the emotion chip at will.

Later in Nemesis , no mention is made of the emtion chip at all, unless you count the deleted scene where Worf and Geordi are gathering Data's things from his quarters after he sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise .

On top of all this the look of the Emotion chip changed from the time we first saw it. In "Brothers" it was a brass disc about the size of the end of a pencil. Later on in the end of "Descent Part 2" we see the damaged emotion chip with a small chunk out of it but still looking very much as it had before.

Then in Generations after the incident in the Holodeck with Dr. Crusher , Data decides he wants Geordi's help installing the chip and he opens a wall cabinet and the chip floating in suspension looks like something taken out of a hard drive, big , black and chunky and technical looking, nothing like the brass discs we had seen before.

Then in that deleted scene I mentioned above from Nemesis when Geordi and Worf find the emtion chip, instead of it looking likw it had in Generations, it is now a plastic looking chips with the curcuits screen printed on with what looks like glossy clear coat of some kind on it .

[iams001efni]

Some of the shows of TNG (season 5+ usually) and Voyager, where there's a convenient one line thing that prevents them from doing the thing that would fix everything really ticks me off. I skipped all the BS episodes of ENT, I just watched the ones with that had to do with the story arc, but I'm sure there were a few of these. The real irritating thing with this is that whatever they can't do usually works perfectly fine in another episode.

The "Everything's OK" crap at the end of episodes, also is irritating. I mean sometimes its ok, but ones where somebody has died, or some tragic or important thing happens, and then just a log entry or whatever, and then a 3 second music clip of the ship flying away with no repercussions is kinda annoying. Kinda lllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy writing.

[Destructor!!!]

There are several instances with Data that get me. For instance in TNG's Descent Part 2 when Data is experimenting on Geordi they discuss about a trip they took to a lake and how Data sunk to the bottom of the lake because he didn't have the ability to float and it took weeks to get the water out of his servos.

Then later in Insurrection Picard, Anij, and Data leap out of the holoship and into a lake and Data can now be used as a floatation device. And he also did the underwater walk in that same lake, and yet after both instances he appears to be fine.

Also, In Generations after getting the emtion chip installed it was said to have fused into his nueral net, and Picard convinces Data to stay on duty to help with the mission and deal with his flood of emotions. Later on in First Contact, we discover that Data can now turn off his emotion chip, if he could do that all along why didn't he do that in First Contact? Then in Insurrection we find out that Data has the ability to remove and install the emotion chip at will.

Later in Nemesis , no mention is made of the emtion chip at all, unless you count the deleted scene where Worf and Geordi are gathering Data's things from his quarters after he sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise .

On top of all this the look of the Emotion chip changed from the time we first saw it. In "Brothers" it was a brass disc about the size of the end of a pencil. Later on in the end of "Descent Part 2" we see the damaged emotion chip with a small chunk out of it but still looking very much as it had before.

Then in Generations after the incident in the Holodeck with Dr. Crusher , Data decides he wants Geordi's help installing the chip and he opens a wall cabinet and the chip floating in suspension looks like something taken out of a hard drive, big , black and chunky and technical looking, nothing like the brass discs we had seen before.

Then in that deleted scene I mentioned above from Nemesis when Geordi and Worf find the emtion chip, instead of it looking likw it had in Generations, it is now a plastic looking chips with the curcuits screen printed on with what looks like glossy clear coat of some kind on it .

In Generations, it wasn't black, it was gold. I just assumed it was a case Data had put it in after he'd repaired it.

It seems logical that if the chip couldn't be removed in first contact, they would look for an alternative. Making it deactivatable is a good one.

As for it being removable in Insurrection, perhaps Data created a new one after finally managing to excise the original. The new one is the one seen in the deleted scene in Nemesis.

There's plenty of time between movies to account for all the changes with some small "Data's Pet Project" style episode stories. He was always fiddling with himself. A wonder he didn't go blind!

Which brings me to what bugs me. Among many other things (like Enterprise, full stop), Nemesis deleted scenes, particularly the ones regarding Data's death. It's like they cut the heart out of the film and left it twitching and bloodied on the cutting room floor.

[VulcanFanatic]

The thing that irritated me in TNG was a crew member looking towards the ceiling and calling out to someone on the communicator, without ever touching their uniform communication device! I mean, how can you, in the middle of a conversation just call out someones name in mid air and expect the computer to route it to the right crew member? Didnt seem logical to me.

[slayerone76]

Another one in TOS is the blatant use of stunt doubles. Even from the back you can tell it's not said character. The hair is different or the build is different. BUT what about the scenes where they show the doubles face. WTH?? LOL.

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

One thing that gets me:

Blowing up the ship gets easier and easier all the time...

TSFS: Captain, First Officer, and Second/Science officer all have to issue a voice code
TNG: Captain and First Office needs to issue a voice code
VOY/NEM: If the Captain decides he/she's had enough, so has everyone else on the ship!

Furthermore, who designs a self-destruct system that is never online when the ship is damaged?! It's always after the system is offline that someone figures out a clever way out of the situation without dying. I guess it's fortunate for all of them that the Captain decided to think a little harder about solutions rather than order some red shirt to point a phaser at those coolant tanks that were always leaking...

Also, there was an episode of TNG where Riker had to go hunting through the junkyard for thieves that were stealing cargo destined for a Vulcan freighter, and they trap them by powering down and trying to look like one of the abandoned ships in the junkyard. Are you to tell me that anybody is going to mistake the Federation flagship - a Galaxy Class starship (a class that was only 6 or 7 years old at the time) - for a derelict?! Furthermore, do they really think that just by turning the lights out, no one's going to detect the 1000 life signs?!

[Commodore Kor'Tar]

Another one in TOS is the blatant use of stunt doubles. Even from the back you can tell it's not said character. The hair is different or the build is different. BUT what about the scenes where they show the doubles face. WTH?? LOL.

A very good point! Like in Space Seed when Kirk and Kahn are fighting each other in Engineering the wide shots are all stunt doubles and the close ups are Shanter and Montalban. Also on Doomsday Machine when Decker decides to steal a shuttle and has to fight a red shirt in the cooridoor it's another set of stunt doubles, and if I recall correctly the Decker double looks like George W. Bush.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

This is easy: from TNG onwards, as a non-trek friend once described it: the alien bumpy forehead of the week syndrome.

I know budgets might have been tight but I never get past the make-up meeting with Micheal westmore's crew that went sort of like:-

The script calls for a new alein race that we haven't met before.

Wow! let's really use our imaginations and create a race that nobody has ever seen the like of before - not like Klingons, Ferengi or Romulans but sort of like let's make this a really crazy creature with extra legs, heads and tentacles and stuff!

Ah, but, in the script, Riker takes it to bed - guys, it's a nice idea, but will the audience really buy into the idea of Riker bedding a creature that looks like a portugese man o'war?

Well, he is supposed to have had sex with Deanna.

Yeah, but the alien is this week's T&A, it says so on a post-it note from the studio execs.

Oh, then we'll have to go for something a bit subtler then.

....Not to mention something a bit cheaper...

(you can fill in the rest yourselves! )