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#21 Tomparis

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:13 PM

I agree with the above post as well. I have noticed people in my local area in my age group (I live around NCSU) A lot of jocks and people who wouldnt have ever said the words Star Trek have seen the movie several times and own it own it blu-ray. As i have said before its a was the perfect trek for this generation.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:43 AM

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And is there a source that proves me wrong? You say "from your experience" I can tell you what I have witnessed first hand. I set up a donation for Autism during the release of ST XI in one of the largest theaters in this entire area. I was there for 3 days. I saw some children over the weekend with their parents. What I mostly saw were people in the 20's and 30's show up. At least more then I had ever seen at a Trek Movie and I have been part of opening night festivities for every Trek movie since Generations where we premiered it at ParaCon. Since I had a huge prop collection set up, a great many wandered over and looked and some donated. Most of the 20 year old ones that I spoke with had never even seen the first TOS yet they all seemed to like this movie. We had my Kirk Chair there and for a donation, you could have your photo in the chair and then photo shopped onto the bridge. No one under 20 or so (we had some props there you could hold in the photo) even knew which way to hold a communicator or what a tribble was. My son is 21 and he went with all his friends and they had a DVD party at my house when it came out. 14 20 year olds, rowdy 20 year olds, in my house watching Star Trek which before that, they thought that it was the geekest thing that had ever happened and were forthright with telling me so. My son even asked to watch all the old TOS discs due to his interest in the last movie.


I'm tempted to say "So what?" here, because that's your experience and you're pluralising it to prove a point that what you saw on those oaccasions goes for every state in the US and in every country in which the movie was released? Did you get people to fill in an age form or something? There's no source I can quote, but reading what you said immediately jarred with my own experience of old-time trekkers going along and seeing the movie and commenting positively having enjoyed it. The enjoyment of the film seemed to span age groups, and wasn't to confined to merely kids, or young adults.

You made a reductive comment based on your opinions and experience of getting down with the kids, and I countered it based on mine, which does not concur with yours. I just went to see the movie and couldn't have given a flying fig about the age of the people in there with us. I certainly wasn't weilding props, wearing a uniform or trying to raise money, I just went to the show like a regular punter. Since then, I have - as you can well imagine - quite a few discussions about it with fans on various forums and I repeat, people over 40 went to see this movie, hell, 50 and 60 year-olds saw it as well. I don't quite see what the point of insisting that Abrams' movie is merely for people under 40. So what if your son held a DVD party in your house - where else would he have had it? In a parking lot? I don't why you want to make out you're so down with the kids, 'cos my own daughter and her friends (male and female) went to see it to and she's not a trekker, wasn't converted into one by this movie and never likely to be, and therefore more typical of the blockbuster demographic, which kind of proves my point that a lot of youngsters went to see this film because there was hype about it and it happened to be the "cool" thing to do that weekend, but they are not an audience you can rely upon for brand loyalty and, quite frankly, I don't think this movie was strong enough to build it and hook in a young audience that is salivating for a sequel. I think Abrams and Paramount realise this hence the lack of urgency in pulling out a sequel.

You're probably also wrong in distinguishing between people in their 20s and 30s as "young" people and assuming that people suddenly morph into something else when they reach 40. People's tastes don't change that much and when TNG first appeared it picked up a fan following of younger watchers who had never seen TOS, so this is nothing new, it's not that the movie attracted a younger audience, it's the keeping of them that counts regardless of which of us thinks they're down with the kids. I don't know what the fear is in knowing that people "over 40" enjoyed the movie, I think a lot of kids are a bit smarter than to shun something just because Mum and Dad like it - that certainly doesn't seem to hold good for the kinds of music kids download. That your son liked it and wanted to party with some DVDs is no suprise to me.

Wanting to reinforce age polarities is not the way to go with this franchise. Abrams and Co have to take a long hard look at what worked in their film, do more of it and cut out the bad, and think less about to whom it appealed, assuming that some things are universal.

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I have been to 10 conventions over a 5 state area (so I guess that my experiences are only truly middle America) since this movie came out and talked to huge amounts of convention goers and you can just about draw the line at 40 as to, yes they watched it, some more then once, but didn't care for it. 30 and under loved it more. There was kind of a dead area in the mid 30's which really depended on how much Trek they had watched. You can read what you like, you can say what you like, but I have set at a table and talked with real people all day and this is what I know. Yeah they saw the flaws in the movie, but they said it was fun and it had been a long time since there was a Trek movie that was fun.


So, you spoke to people at conventions, and right there you have a select crowd. It doesn't matter in how many states you attended conventions, because people who can afford to fork out for tickets and accommodation for these things, let alone have enough left over to afford the merchandise, put them in a group which prioritises this kind of activity and the genres it represents, are not a wide enough sample. The vast majority of people who go to the movies don't go to conventions. Period. I think we all know that for in order for Star Trek to prove lucrative to continue being made it had to appeal to a far wider audience than people who dress up in uniforms and spend weekends buying stuff from trade stands and queuing for autographs. I don't go to conventions, and I know loads of trekkers who don't either because, they hate them, or at our advanced age we can't afford it, are unemployed, feeling the economic downturn, or, like me, have offspring at university. The opinions of these people will count whether you were able to ask them or not.

The other big unknown equation in this debate are the people who didn't go to the cinema to see this movie on release but later rented it on DVD. Maybe, if they liked it enough, they'd go and see the sequel. Who knows?

You can say what you like, but I have talked to real people too ever since the movie came out on forums, which is in itself another select group and not all of these people attend conventions (most wouldn't be seen dead at one), and I know what I'm talking about too, and since neither fo us has actually gone out and spoken to the wider general public and done an age-related, properly set-up vox pop in the street, then we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one because neither one of us has all the answers, but I don't think making reductive, age polarity comments is going to help keep the audience for this franchise as wide as it needs to be. The simple fact is that the movie had enough going for it for a wide audience to enjoy it, but maybe not quite enough to generate an urgency for a sequel, because if it had been otherwise, none of us would be having this discussion and we'd be reviewing Star Trek XII instead.

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As to if fans will go to a second one, who knows. Movie goers are fickle and no one knows what they will like in the end. As many great movies flop as make huge money.


My point exactly. No one really knows at this point how many people who went to see the first movie became fans, as indeed who might be attracted into watch a sequel who didn't in fact go to see the first one. Too hard to call, but one has to think that there is a distinct lack of excitement at Bad Robot for making a sequel - "Dropped the ball"? Seriously? I doubt that was the reason, and I return to my assertion, only this time stating it more strongly, that there is far more money to be made with other, more popular franchises, and Star Trek XI did not turn out to be the movie of 2009 as Paramount and fans hoped it would.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (Tomparis @ Sep 17 2011, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with the above post as well. I have noticed people in my local area in my age group (I live around NCSU) A lot of jocks and people who wouldnt have ever said the words Star Trek have seen the movie several times and own it own it blu-ray. As i have said before its a was the perfect trek for this generation.


I'll pick up on this one and say that I am completely unsurprised by this. I didn't think my daughter and her trendy pals would ever go and see a movie with Star Trek in the title either, but it just goes to show what you can do with window dressing and tartgeted advertising, product placement and making sure a certain vibe gets out there and reels in an audience.

Basically though, it comes down to this, they went to see the same kind of Trek that some of us began watching in the 60s. There wasn't really anyting startling different about Abrams' vision that made his film "not" Star Trek, and therefore "not" the thing that so many "jocks" would shun as "geeky" - they just bought the window dressing. In fact, the movie was still spectacularly geeky with a slight shift in emphasis. All the basic elements of TOS were there and - in spite of my initial cynicism - some genius casting. Basically, it was TOS repackaged with enough of the vital elements remaining intact for people of all ages, whether familiar with the format and characters or not, to enjoy. I would say that it's less of a case of it being a perfect Trek for this generation, as being the fact that the orginal concept was perfect for every generation and still is with a little facelift every now and again to attract a new generation each time. In fact, what Abrams did was far less radical than what happened with TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, it just caused anxiety because it was revisiting and recasting TOS, which had been the original (and some say the best) version of a much reduxed intellectual property, but I'm old enough to remember the dismay amongst TOS fans that there would be a new audience (in fact My generation!) who would enjoy TNG and who had never (whisper it) watched the original series! Fandom survived all those reincarnations just like Who fans cope everytime the Doctor regenerates.

The question is, when do we get some more? And will we have a Prime Universe series on TV? We should, perhaps, cease to argue about "whose" Trek it is and all want some more! smile.gif

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (JulesLuvsShinzon @ Sep 18 2011, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll pick up on this one and say that I am completely unsurprised by this. I didn't think my daughter and her trendy pals would ever go and see a movie with Star Trek in the title either, but it just goes to show what you can do with window dressing and tartgeted advertising, product placement and making sure a certain vibe gets out there and reels in an audience.

Basically though, it comes down to this, they went to see the same kind of Trek that some of us began watching in the 60s. There wasn't really anyting startling different about Abrams' vision that made his film "not" Star Trek, and therefore "not" the thing that so many "jocks" would shun as "geeky" - they just bought the window dressing. In fact, the movie was still spectacularly geeky with a slight shift in emphasis. All the basic elements of TOS were there and - in spite of my initial cynicism - some genius casting. Basically, it was TOS repackaged with enough of the vital elements remaining intact for people of all ages, whether familiar with the format and characters or not, to enjoy. I would say that it's less of a case of it being a perfect Trek for this generation, as being the fact that the orginal concept was perfect for every generation and still is with a little facelift every now and again to attract a new generation each time. In fact, what Abrams did was far less radical than what happened with TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, it just caused anxiety because it was revisiting and recasting TOS, which had been the original (and some say the best) version of a much reduxed intellectual property, but I'm old enough to remember the dismay amongst TOS fans that there would be a new audience (in fact My generation!) who would enjoy TNG and who had never (whisper it) watched the original series! Fandom survived all those reincarnations just like Who fans cope everytime the Doctor regenerates.

The question is, when do we get some more? And will we have a Prime Universe series on TV? We should, perhaps, cease to argue about "whose" Trek it is and all want some more! smile.gif




I agree with everything you just said lol. I didnt think the movie was that much of a radical departure from the original other than the destruction of vulcan but they had to do something big to further make it different for the original I guess.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:09 PM

Well, once again as I have said for 10 years, no one ever changes anyone's minds with posts on a forum. I disagree with you Jules, but I don't have the needed time to post long posts that will never change your mind. You hated it before it came out, you hated it when it came out, you hate it now. You look for threads where you can restate that you hate it. LOL It was a fun movie and while it is not going to change the world, it made me suspend disbelief for a while and have a bit of fun. The most that I can ask from a movie. The next movie could be the best Trek that was ever made and it still might not sell a ticket or it might be the worst and sell even more tickets. I think that has little to do with this movie. I mean really, they had a movie called Search for Spock. Did anyone ever think they weren't going to find him? tongue.gif

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 03:50 AM

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Well, once again as I have said for 10 years, no one ever changes anyone's minds with posts on a forum. I disagree with you Jules, but I don't have the needed time to post long posts that will never change your mind. You hated it before it came out, you hated it when it came out, you hate it now.


I'm sorry? Do you ever actually bother to read what I've posted here? Where have I said that I hated this movie? Go on where did I say that? It's crazy to say that I hated this movie, because I didn't and I don't. I think it has some deficiencies - in common with a lot of old time trekkers who have watched TOS since childhood and really understand what TOS is about beyond it being about phasers and miniskirts, but I don't hate this movie. It would be very true to say that I was extremely sceptical - and rightly so - about J J Abrams taking over the helm, but I gave it a chance and I think the franchise can fly again if they concentrate on what made this film work. Having a few criticisms of the movie overall doesn't make me a hater - and shouldn't even in your reductive, polarised world!

You say you don't want to make long posts, but you sure spent a long time to trying to privilege your credentials as a uniform wearing trekkie trying to impress me that you're "right" and I'm "wrong"- to absolutely nil effect, so I guess for you it was a waste of time, yeah; not to mention it's that kind of attitude that divides the fanbase and will put off any new converts to the world of Trek.


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You look for threads where you can restate that you hate it.


No, you can go and try and do that if you like. Happy hunting - it could take you a while and you'll probably find Lord Lucan and the Holy Grail before you find one! And, no criticisms of some aspects don't count - and they have to be from the time after I went to see the movie! Off you go - I won't be holding my breath!! smile.gif


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LOL It was a fun movie and while it is not going to change the world, it made me suspend disbelief for a while and have a bit of fun. The most that I can ask from a movie.


Well hurrah for you - you're clearly easily pleased and undemanding, but some movie-goers ask for a little more. Yes, it was a lot of fun and that will be enough for now, but it may not sustain sufficient interest in the franchise in the long term.


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The next movie could be the best Trek that was ever made and it still might not sell a ticket or it might be the worst and sell even more tickets. I think that has little to do with this movie. I mean really, they had a movie called Search for Spock. Did anyone ever think they weren't going to find him? tongue.gif


I'm not sure what your point is here, but, yes, every Trekker in the world knew that they were going to find Spock way before the movie began shooting. The point was not whether they were going to find Spock, but exactly how they were going to resurrect him - that was the point, and most thinking Trekkers figured out he'd been regenerated by the Genesis Wave. Easy peasy and it didn't detract from the film much. I'm still not sure what your point is - but I'm left with a sneaking suspicion that I get a whole lot more out of my trekking than you do! wink.gif



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Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:15 AM

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I agree with everything you just said lol. I didnt think the movie was that much of a radical departure from the original other than the destruction of vulcan but they had to do something big to further make it different for the original I guess.


The word "edgy" was much overused in the run-up to the movie's release, and basically the only really radical move was to destroy Vulcan and kill off Amanda, which I know upset some of the older fans. I really didn't care much about that because I really don't care much for Vulcans and Amanda; I often felt that they were many missed opportunities to have a debate about totalitariansim and fundmentalism. They got closest too questioning that the ideology behind bansihing emotion leading to peace in Enterprise, but like most promising things in that series, the debate only got so far and then stalled.

The issue for all Trekkers who want more than a theme park ride from their movie Trek is, I think, exactly what the writers are going to do with the restarted Trek universe that makes the whole shebang properly worthwhile and answers the complaints of those Trekkers still hankering after more Prime Universe product? The people who are mourning Prime Universe Trek (OK a small percentage if some people are to be believed) need to be convinced that this temporal restart has got real legs. Elsewhere it seems that there is a man poised to deliver more Prime Universe product on TV that might satisfy the hankering, but who knows if that will happen? Meanwhile this new Abramsverse has to move forward in a way that really capitalises on the restart and not a lazy wander down Borg Alley. I am a bit bored with the Klingons, but a Makeover and a really compelling Klingon story could work, given that at this time the Federation and the Klingon Empire are enemies.

I've got to say that I feel really let down that impression that a lot of us inferred from a three-movie deal was that there was some kind of "master plan" that would deliver a properly mapped-out and cohesive trilogy, and that even if the scripts for the sequels hadn't actually been written, the basic story arcs were in place. Now it seems that this is not the case and the writers were only thinking one movie at a time and now seem to be in a "What now?" situation and I am really not at all thrilled at the prospect of a load of lazy remakes of succesful TOS movies like TWOK. That would be a deal-breaker for me and I'm not sure it would resonate at all with the newer audiences who never saw TWOK, especially without knowledge of the Space Seed prequel to refer to.

Definitely, this time the movie need not have to spend to much time bogged down in reintrioducing the characters which was a very necessary part of the first movie, and mostly done very well indeed. Unfortunately, the time spent (and some time wasted on silly Boy Kirk in his Corvette) somewhat compromised the real adventure, which is what movie Trek should be about. I think Trek movies work the best when they have to whizz off at very short notice into a situation that is already rapidly developing. It's an old Star Trek cliche that the Enterprise embarks on a rescue mission in a state of unreadiness, but it sets up a whole load of amusing character moments and in the case of TWOK, was actually quite visceral. I just hope it's not Khan or the Borg they rush off to meet! smile.gif

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 07:18 PM

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I'm sorry? Do you ever actually bother to read what I've posted here? Where have I said that I hated this movie? Go on where did I say that? It's crazy to say that I hated this movie, because I didn't and I don't. I think it has some deficiencies - in common with a lot of old time trekkers who have watched TOS since childhood and really understand what TOS is about beyond it being about phasers and miniskirts, but I don't hate this movie. It would be very true to say that I was extremely sceptical - and rightly so - about J J Abrams taking over the helm, but I gave it a chance and I think the franchise can fly again if they concentrate on what made this film work. Having a few criticisms of the movie overall doesn't make me a hater - and shouldn't even in your reductive, polarised world!

You say you don't want to make long posts, but you sure spent a long time to trying to privilege your credentials as a uniform wearing trekkie trying to impress me that you're "right" and I'm "wrong"- to absolutely nil effect, so I guess for you it was a waste of time, yeah; not to mention it's that kind of attitude that divides the fanbase and will put off any new converts to the world of Trek.




No, you can go and try and do that if you like. Happy hunting - it could take you a while and you'll probably find Lord Lucan and the Holy Grail before you find one! And, no criticisms of some aspects don't count - and they have to be from the time after I went to see the movie! Off you go - I won't be holding my breath!! smile.gif




Well hurrah for you - you're clearly easily pleased and undemanding, but some movie-goers ask for a little more. Yes, it was a lot of fun and that will be enough for now, but it may not sustain sufficient interest in the franchise in the long term.




I'm not sure what your point is here, but, yes, every Trekker in the world knew that they were going to find Spock way before the movie began shooting. The point was not whether they were going to find Spock, but exactly how they were going to resurrect him - that was the point, and most thinking Trekkers figured out he'd been regenerated by the Genesis Wave. Easy peasy and it didn't detract from the film much. I'm still not sure what your point is - but I'm left with a sneaking suspicion that I get a whole lot more out of my trekking than you do! wink.gif


Come on, you look for a way to bust the chops of that movie at every chance you get under the guise that it We All Should Expect More. Every thread that is remotely connected to that movie, you get in and bust it's chops. You bust on the writing team you bust on the actors, you bust on plot, the script. You quote anyone that disagrees with you and make a two page long line by line counter. Even Trek United you jumped on me when I disagreed and informed me when I said I thought we were friends "I should do a friend check" and if I remember right, told me to go back to my forum.

As for my wearing an uniform, I mostly do it for fundraisers for some charity or the other. I can provide a list if you like. Here Maybe You Would Like to Donate To My Latest One? I can easy say that I helped raise $6,000 for various charity groups last year working with my fellow Starfleet Command, and other Trek friends. It does somehow seem to draw Trek fans to me during one. The ST XI opening night "Sit in the Chair" was a fundraiser for Autism. I did take a minute to say that during such events that the "general public" do come up and talk to me. Well, they do. Maybe it's a central U.S.A. thing because I can tell you that Enterprise never went below #2 in this state. So maybe that public that I'm talking to just isn't a open minded enough Trek base for you to have any faith in.

Bottom line, I like it, I've seen more none Trek people like it then I have for a long time and I've kept my mouth shut since it came out listening to people go one every chance they get about how god awful it was. As I said before it came out, you vote with your dollars, don't buy a ticket, don't by the DVD and if enough people agree with you, then you win.

Now I know that you are going to have to reply to this or you will explode, so please do so, then lets both stop hijacking this thread. IF I read it right it's about the NEW one not the OLD one.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:58 PM

geez fella's calm down lol. To each his own huh...

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:44 AM

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Come on, you look for a way to bust the chops of that movie at every chance you get under the guise that it We All Should Expect More. Every thread that is remotely connected to that movie, you get in and bust it's chops. You bust on the writing team you bust on the actors, you bust on plot, the script.


No I don't and you need to stop making sweeping statements about who does and who doesn't enjoy this movie, or that movie, and learn that when someone likes something part of the way but suggests some improvements - as other people have done here - that doesn't make me, or them, a hater. The only person trying to "bust anyone's chops" here is you because you have an issue with me not falling into line with your opinions and failing to be impressed by your self-aggrandisement.

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You quote anyone that disagrees with you and make a two page long line by line counter. Even Trek United you jumped on me when I disagreed and informed me when I said I thought we were friends "I should do a friend check" and if I remember right, told me to go back to my forum.


Yeah, I seem to remember you tried doing the stomp over there to and it backfired. You seemed to think TU should run like your own forum. I also recall that when you were trying to get this forum off the ground it was you that invited me here because you said, and I quote, you could use some "smart posters" - and I am sure you have repented that move at leisure ever since!

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As for my wearing an uniform, I mostly do it for fundraisers for some charity or the other. I can provide a list if you like. Here Maybe You Would Like to Donate To My Latest One? I can easy say that I helped raise $6,000 for various charity groups last year working with my fellow Starfleet Command, and other Trek friends. It does somehow seem to draw Trek fans to me during one. The ST XI opening night "Sit in the Chair" was a fundraiser for Autism.


Sorry Mark but parading your charity credentials as some kind of claim to a moral highground, or greater overview of the whole of Trekking fandom is irrelevant here. (Why would I donate to your charity in the US when there are plenty of worthy causes in my own country already getting my support?) Again, you only speak with people who bother to come to you when you're attracting attention to your table with your props and uniforms and those you talk to at conventions, meanwhile disregarding anyone else who might not be engaged with either of those activities. None of the above entitles you to make sweeping statments about anybody else. Don't the views of Trekkers who don't wear uniforms, collect toys, or go to conventions count? They are fans just as much as you!


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I did take a minute to say that during such events that the "general public" do come up and talk to me. Well, they do. Maybe it's a central U.S.A. thing because I can tell you that Enterprise never went below #2 in this state. So maybe that public that I'm talking to just isn't a open minded enough Trek base for you to have any faith in.


Bottom line, no, it isn't, but then I'm not the one making sweeping statements about the rest. You made sweeping statements like they were the gospel truth and I merely said that wasn't the experience I have had talking with Trekkers from the US, UK and other countries; quite why you got so bent out of shape about that I have no idea. It's my experience which doesn't coincide with your narrow assumptions and you just need to accept that I'm not making it up.

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Bottom line, I like it, I've seen more none Trek people like it then I have for a long time and I've kept my mouth shut since it came out listening to people go one every chance they get about how god awful it was. As I said before it came out, you vote with your dollars, don't buy a ticket, don't by the DVD and if enough people agree with you, then you win.


Lucky for you then that I saw the movie and subsequently bought the DVD then, and it wouldn't take Mister Spock to point out that paying to go to theatre and then buying the DVD of a movie I "hate" would be a highly illogical act for a "hater" like you think I am, but hey, don't let a little common sense get in the way of your prejudicial views! I think you've argued yourself into a corner here and are probably wishing you'd kept your mouth shut a little while longer, especially as you don't seem to listen too well. You seem to have conflated me with other people and it's doing me (and the other over 40s who liked the movie) a massive injustice; why would you want to do that? What benefit is there in wanting to see such age-related divsions between young and old people, old fans and new? I don't get it.

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Now I know that you are going to have to reply to this or you will explode, so please do so, then lets both stop hijacking this thread. IF I read it right it's about the NEW one not the OLD one.


There you go! I would hate to disappoint you by not responding with another one of my lengthy posts! And if you read the last post I made I think you will see that it responds to Tom Paris and is entirely "on topic".

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 03:55 PM

Regret? Not in the least. I've become your new Mr Burns it would seem. You need someone to fight with so you have a reason to post. I don't mind the (knowingly or unknowingly) condescending attitude and the way you try to belittle peoples experiences that disagree with you. I've read your posts for 10 years. Yes you are smart, you been to university, but you go on and on, on the same subjects when a chance avails itself. No differently then the member that thinks they must post at any chance the entire list of DST's short comings. Yes we know what they are it gets old beating a dead horse. Surely someone as smart as you has other non political tropics (Yes you love politics too). to post about? Music, art, hell maybe an action figure.

And lastly I do most of my posting these days from my Blackberry due to long work hours and you can easily beat me down per word.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 04:37 PM

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If this were facebook I'd be liking the hell outta that post!! biggrin.gif


Thank you. Nice to see someone agress that yeah it had flaws, but it got some young butts in those seats.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 05:56 PM

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Thank you. Nice to see someone agress that yeah it had flaws, but it got some young butts in those seats.


I'm 28 years old, no spring chicken mind you lol tongue.gif

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:18 PM

Im 23 so I guess im the spring chicken here lmao

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 08:29 PM

I have an Aunt that is 70 that would argue with all three of us about who's the spring chicken.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:18 AM

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Regret? Not in the least. I've become your new Mr Burns it would seem. You need someone to fight with so you have a reason to post. I don't mind the (knowingly or unknowingly) condescending attitude and the way you try to belittle peoples experiences that disagree with you.


I think that people who try to stifle a debate they can't win by playing the "I was doing it for charity" card probably ask for all they get - why you were where you were is irrelevant to this discussion, and I was merely pointing that out. And I have no idea who Mr Burns is or why I would want one in my life, and, if you claim to be that for me - I guess you're not very good at it, whatever the hell it is supposed to be.

Really, I don't care for fighting but I do like to have a discussion and a debate - a lot of people do. Wasn't it Churchill who said "It's better to jaw, jaw, than to, war war"? At this rate the fanbase will be so divided there won't be one to entice anywhere near a theatre.

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I've read your posts for 10 years. Yes you are smart, you been to university, but you go on and on, on the same subjects when a chance avails itself. No differently then the member that thinks they must post at any chance the entire list of DST's short comings. Yes we know what they are it gets old beating a dead horse.


I do? I go on about the same subjects? I didn't know I was parlaying with someone who was such a broad church! I've only known you as a guy who loves Star Trek and has a basement full of Star Trek toys and props and who loves to talk toys. Forgive me for not recognising you for the polymath you are! And as for the guys who list DST's shortcomings - there are plenty of annoyed and frustrated punters here posting about those and maybe it's because most of them have been live issues for the past ten years. I didn't think that there was a rule that said only positive things could be posted about toy companies - where's the basis for discussion there? I thought discussion boards were for ... discussions about the whole subject, not just a DST or toy company admiration board. If you're going to have a discussion board and invite people to it then you have to be a little tolerent of what people write even if it's not always what you want.

And by the way, trying to peddle that old crap about everybody over 40 hating the Abrams' movie because you can't accept that you made a foolish, sweeping statement and retract it with good grace means that the horse you are flogging is not only dead but actually in an advanced state of decompostion - actually dry remains and dust. I don't know why you have such a prejudice against the over 40s and want to be so "down with the kids" - you must be close to 40 yourself. Maybe it's a fear of getting old and explaining why an old guy has basement full of toys.

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Surely someone as smart as you has other non political tropics (Yes you love politics too). to post about? Music, art, hell maybe an action figure.


Well, you've clearly not been paying attention to the rest of your board then have you, because I've posted plenty on AA/DST action figures and some on the Playmates board over the time I've been here. The trouble is, Star Trek lines from AA/DST have dried up recently and Playmates is providing little new product between movies, so there's not much to talk about in the way of anticipating any new product and to constantly talk about the old gets boring. Besides, I have a kid going through university and family stuff that has to take priority, and I don't have a basement either. Even so, I have dropped by and joined in the "What would it take for you to..." thread in the past couple of days to parlay about how the licenses for new Star Trek product could thrill collectors in future, but you seem to have missed that, which is a shame because it's an interesting discussion!

And, if you'd care to show me the subforum on your board where discussions about music and art would be welcomed (because I can't see it), I would be thrilled to oblige you, but I think I would be in there on my own. Also, music and art, and my own specialist field, literature, and some of the most political topics in the world, and we all know how the Torchwood discussion went down. I believe you lost a moderator off your team in trying to lock that one down.

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And lastly I do most of my posting these days from my Blackberry due to long work hours and you can easily beat me down per word.


Yeah, people who try to keep in touch via phones tend to miss a lot. Maybe that's why you have such a half-assed view of what I'm actually doing here. It's not about word count - that's a crazy assumption, but then you're good at those.

You own the site and it's your own little world, and that's fine. Personally, I find the "Keep Off The Grass" signs and "No Ball Games" a bit restrictive; I prefer to talk about aspects of the toys I collect rather than throw them in a corner.

And as for why Star Trek XII has been delayed - maybe you're a part of the answer as to why and not the solution by wanting to keep the fanbase narrow. Star Trek is meant to be for everyone and not just kids and men who are afraid of getting old, or being thought of as old because there are a few (whisper it) old crones like me cackling away in the theatre enjoying Star Trek better than you do! smile.gif

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:45 PM

http://www.trektoy.c...php?showuser=31 Jules you don't remember Capt Burns? He would be so hurt! You and he fought in so many threads and you have forgotten him.

Almost every Trek movie has been delayed in getting started. In Shatner's book on the making of the movies he covers each one by one. XI made money, very nice since they spent so much to make it, and so they will make a XII. I can live with it if JJ can make more doing a few other movies that cost way less to make. It will happen and much like those Fast and Furious movies that the younger crowd loves, it'll be long on action and short on plot. I can live with it I guess as long as it's fun to watch. Again I have no fear that it will be made regardless of delays. Some people believe that absence makes the heart grow fonder, maybe JJ is one of them.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:10 PM

...So anyway what are so ideas of what the next movie will be about?

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 03:53 PM

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I have an Aunt that is 70 that would argue with all three of us about who's the spring chicken.


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Posted 24 November 2011 - 05:31 AM

New information: LINK

The film will now be released in 3D on May 17, 2013. So basically, there's a full year delay as a result of this screw




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