Jump to content


Photo

Spoiler-ific Movie Discussion Thread


  • Please log in to reply
262 replies to this topic

#1 slayerone76

slayerone76

    Guinan's love slave!

  • Members
  • 2,718 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Georgetown, TX
  • Interests:Stately playboy by day ... profitable pimp by night. I like to watch movies, listen to music, go out ... friends ... food ... all the essentials of life.

Posted 10 May 2009 - 06:55 PM

Just for VF ... cause I love him! laugh.gif

Here is a place to discuss all the juicy details of the movie without worrying about giving something away.

#2 Trek Forever

Trek Forever

    Action figure anonymous member

  • Members
  • 68 posts

Posted 10 May 2009 - 06:58 PM

It rocks here watch this

http://justjared.buz...day-night-live/

#3 VulcanFanatic

VulcanFanatic

    Leonard Nimoy fan

  • Members
  • 3,164 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Southeastern North Carolina

Posted 10 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

I saw the movie again today and i have to say that i liked it much better the second time around. Seeing how young James T. Kirk grows up and acts up as a kid makes you realize what the impact of not having his father there as he grows up has had on his life, a difference from the original timeline. I realized that there was substance and thought there, not just all flash and blowing up stuff. Vulcan being destroyed, billions of Vulcans dead, including Spocks mother, is a powerful scene and even with all of the damage done by Nero 25 years before, the TOS crew still comes together maybe by fate and will cheat certain death many more times as they have their adventures. I think this movie was very good, but not the best Star Trek movie ever made. Since we live in a different time than when the TOS was made, we older Trek fans will have to accept the new style of movie making or we will just have to not be happy. I choose to like this new movie and i hope they make good decisions when they make the sequel and dont make another "Batman returns".

#4 TheHSBR

TheHSBR

    Mirror Universe Moderator

  • Global Moderators
  • 3,621 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, IL
  • Interests:This will be quite the list...Star Trek, Star Wars, wrestling, He-Man, comic books, GI Joe, video games, and most of all collecting action figures!

Posted 10 May 2009 - 08:52 PM

VULCAN BLOWS UP!.....I just had to.

#5 DavAnthony

DavAnthony

    Rick & Pat know me by name.

  • Members
  • 389 posts

Posted 10 May 2009 - 09:24 PM

Just to clarify Kirk went from a Cadet to a Captain of the Flag Ship of Starfleet no less right out of the Academy?? He skipped LT Junior Grade, Lt, Lt. Commander and Commander. Despite the other things that this story does that is just nuts. Out of all of the other Captains and Commanders in Starfleet with all of their experiences they were all passed up for a person not even out of the Academy yet, right? That is the equivalent of a cadet being command of the U.S.S Enterprise Aircraft Carrier right out the Academy.

#6 The_Donster

The_Donster

    If I don't have it, It's on preorder.

  • Members
  • 2,198 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ferenginar
  • Interests:OMG!! Clearly my hobby is getting away from me at the moment if anyone remembers the pics of my collection on the old AA forum. While mine isn't as focused as Mark's, it's start to rival his, lol. Long answer short, too many to narrow down.

Posted 10 May 2009 - 10:26 PM

QUOTE (bgiles73 @ May 10 2009, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah!! Let them bring in Kumar as Khan!! wink.gif


If they hadn't used him as the captain of the Kelvin, I would have said that actor would have been a cool Khan. Honestly though, I don't want to see Kumar or Khan for that matter. Let Kirk piss some new villain off by sleeping with his woman laugh.gif

QUOTE (Gothneo @ May 10 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ha ha ha! That made me realize that Spock doesn't have his Brother either!!!! That means the abomination that was ST V, The Final Frontier will never be!

Hooray!!!


Oh and Goth, remember Sybock was the older brother to Spock. So we're not really sure if he was killed on Vulcan or that the events of STV will happen as they did in the original universe tongue.gif


Maybe we should move all of those spoiler posts over to this thread. Here's something that should clear things up for you Dav. Look on the brightside, Kirk is still the youngest Starfleet captain and the only cadet to beat the Kobayashi Maru. Given he saved the freakin' planet and proved to be cool under pressure, I can see that.

#7 DavAnthony

DavAnthony

    Rick & Pat know me by name.

  • Members
  • 389 posts

Posted 10 May 2009 - 10:34 PM

What does that link clear up their Donnie boy?

#8 The_Donster

The_Donster

    If I don't have it, It's on preorder.

  • Members
  • 2,198 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ferenginar
  • Interests:OMG!! Clearly my hobby is getting away from me at the moment if anyone remembers the pics of my collection on the old AA forum. While mine isn't as focused as Mark's, it's start to rival his, lol. Long answer short, too many to narrow down.

Posted 11 May 2009 - 01:53 AM

QUOTE (Leonard Nimoy)
To not like it makes them ****heads wink.gif


#9 Gothneo

Gothneo

    Knows Paul Bunyan

  • Members
  • 5,753 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Land of sky Blue Oxen

Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:47 AM

Well, if Spock can't even save his mother, I doubt he can save his (1/2) brother!

You know, I get some of what DavAnthony is saying.

What's really new with this movie? It didn't really have me thinking about anything. In fact I went with a friend who wasn't a Trek Fan, and while we both enjoyed the film (we really did, we thought it was fun!), we thought there were huge holes in the plot, and much of it was forced. I had to explain the real motivation of Nero (I read the back story comic) because my friend came away thinking his revenge motivation against Spock was a bit weak.

In the end it's about a revenge driven antagonist (like Khan) that goes back in time (like the Borg Queen) to use it's "Death Star" like technology (Red Matter) to destroy Vulcan and Earth.

For myself (and my friend) the scene with young Kirk stealing and destroying his step-fathers car didn't sit right. It doesn't set him up to be a leader of men, a great captain, he comes off as a jerk IMO. Arrogant & self centered, without concern for the pain or hurt that he will cause to himself or others. That's not someone who inspires people to follow them. That's not a leader of men, women, or whatever... That's never been the James T. Kirk I've seen.

In particular, the Science was particularly bad in many scenes, which you can read about here. So it's more "fi" then Sci-Fi for me, and that's a bit of a disappointment as it was one of the things that Star Trek really prided it's self and attempted to do well.

That being said some of the positive.... I loved the way the bridge looked, and really loved the way engineering looked! I've been in many industrial plants and power plants, and personally, I think all the busy pipes and wires and such are much more realistic.

I thought the movie successfully re-introduced the friendships of Kirk, McCoy and Spock, and it did so with some smart and at time witty dialog. If there is one thing I walked away from that movie with, that was it.

I also really liked Simon Pegg as Scotty. Again one of the great things about TOS, was you had actors, like Doohan, that looked like your every day guy. Not a GQ guy, not a perfect smile, etc.

Overall, I was able to put aside that this isn't the Star Trek that I knew, or that I think Roddenberry envisioned, but it's probably the Star Trek he originally pitched the the corp suites... a space western, where star ships replace horses and zap guns replace 6-shooters. It took 40 years, but they finally got what they wanted all along tongue.gif





#10 VulcanFanatic

VulcanFanatic

    Leonard Nimoy fan

  • Members
  • 3,164 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Southeastern North Carolina

Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:37 AM

QUOTE (Gothneo @ May 11 2009, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For myself (and my friend) the scene with young Kirk stealing and destroying his step-fathers car didn't sit right. It doesn't set him up to be a leader of men, a great captain, he comes off as a jerk IMO. Arrogant & self centered, without concern for the pain or hurt that he will cause to himself or others. That's not someone who inspires people to follow them. That's not a leader of men, women, or whatever... That's never been the James T. Kirk I've seen.

I think this is a result of not having his StarFleet Officer father there to guide him as he grows up. Even though events were changed, his destiny was still a constant, to become a Star Fleet Captain. He went the hard way, but he still made it. Yes, i agree with above comment about Kirk becoming a Captain right out of the Academy. The story must have been written by someone who was never in the military or had ever wached a military drama before, because no one ever gets their own command right out of the Academy. There needs to be years of experience going through the other ranks before your ready for that huge responsibility.

#11 FHC

FHC

    Owner

  • Owner
  • 4,495 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:38 AM

QUOTE (DavAnthony @ May 10 2009, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to clarify Kirk went from a Cadet to a Captain of the Flag Ship of Starfleet no less right out of the Academy?? He skipped LT Junior Grade, Lt, Lt. Commander and Commander. Despite the other things that this story does that is just nuts. Out of all of the other Captains and Commanders in Starfleet with all of their experiences they were all passed up for a person not even out of the Academy yet, right? That is the equivalent of a cadet being command of the U.S.S Enterprise Aircraft Carrier right out the Academy.


Also do not forget that Pike went from Capt to Adm. Even Rear Adm is no less then 3 jumps.

Captain
Fleet Captain
Commodore
Rear Adm
Vice Adm
Adm
Fleet Adm
C in C (Commander in Chief)

#12 Gothneo

Gothneo

    Knows Paul Bunyan

  • Members
  • 5,753 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Land of sky Blue Oxen

Posted 11 May 2009 - 05:01 AM

Part of me thinks that is the expectation of many younger people now. Some feel good grades are an entitlement, as is the 100k+ a year job that should be there for them when they graduate. It's why Academic fraud is at an all time high in universities right now. This movie re-enforces that stereo-type.

Also, I'd like to note that in most organizations such as star fleet, disclosure of an intimate relationship between a superior and subordinate would be mandatory, and re-assignment of one, or the other would be done simply to avoid even the appearance of a violation of integrity or code of ethics. In other words, Uhura would not have been assigned under the command of Spock, and for Spock to do so suggests a real issue with his ethics. Ironic because he basically accuses Kirk of said same violation. But perhaps that is the point?

#13 TheHSBR

TheHSBR

    Mirror Universe Moderator

  • Global Moderators
  • 3,621 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, IL
  • Interests:This will be quite the list...Star Trek, Star Wars, wrestling, He-Man, comic books, GI Joe, video games, and most of all collecting action figures!

Posted 11 May 2009 - 06:14 AM

I also think that the mind meld with Spock would give him some of his "experience" back from the regular continuity. I would assume that Kirk's essence would be transferred to this new Kirk in some way shape or form.

#14 Gothneo

Gothneo

    Knows Paul Bunyan

  • Members
  • 5,753 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Land of sky Blue Oxen

Posted 11 May 2009 - 06:39 AM

I agee with that. Kirk, as a character, seemed much more centered after his meld with Prime Spock.

Another apt comment my non-trek friend made was why did both Spock and Kirk go over to the Romulan ship... obviously we both understand that it promotes our heroes in the story plot, but, we both agreed, that Pike made better and more realistic command decisions when he sent Sulu and Kirk to disengage the drilling platform.

When your the Capt, you deligate those tasks. As Pike says... "Your not even supposed to be here..." so it makes sense to send him. But once Kirk has command, he should have delegated the away mission. His 1st priority should have been to the ship and crew.

Ok, that's a nit, and in keeping a balance with giving praise, as wells as a crit... It made all the sense in the world to make Uhura a linguistics expert. This is truely in the style of Hosi, ala Enterprise, and it makes sense that your comm officer is more then justa switchboard operator. That was something that Ent fixed, and I was delighted to see it carried forward.

#15 anti-hero

anti-hero

    I know what a Pog is.

  • Members
  • 114 posts

Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:40 AM

In response to the post about kirk graduating the academy as a Captain...is it ridiculous? Obviously. But I still bought it, at least in the context of this movie and in the context of Star Trek. Here's a few reasons why I can buy it...

1. While drunk and bloodied on a bar floor Kirk is told he can have his own ship 4 years after graduating the academy. That, to me, seems like a ridiculuously short amount of time to begin with. So apparently his "aptitude test scores" place him on a fast track to begin with.

2. Starfleet lost several ships and (presumably) their captains when they disptached (was it 7?) ships to Vulcan. So they are shorthanded and in need of ships immeadiately (again, presumably).

3. Pike has a man-crush on Kirk from the start, to the point that he makes him second in command as he's leaving the ship. So really he wasn't promoted from cadet to captain, he was promoted from suspended cadet to commander, then to captain, LOL. And, imo it's fair to assume that Pike had a hand in choosing his own replacement.

4. Kirk fought and defeated the biggest threat to Starfleet up to that point. He proved that he could command and that the crew followed him. Why replace him with someone else and possibly lower the morale of the crew that just saved the Federation?

Anyway, just my .02.

#16 Gothneo

Gothneo

    Knows Paul Bunyan

  • Members
  • 5,753 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Land of sky Blue Oxen

Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (anti-hero @ May 11 2009, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kirk fought and defeated the biggest threat to Starfleet up to that point.


Hang on!

ENT cannon is still in play! The Xindi threat seems to have been just as great... both were in for destroying the earth!


#17 anti-hero

anti-hero

    I know what a Pog is.

  • Members
  • 114 posts

Posted 11 May 2009 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Gothneo @ May 11 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hang on!

ENT cannon is still in play! The Xindi threat seems to have been just as great... both were in for destroying the earth!


LOL, I knew I should've qualified that statement with a IINM. In any case, it was a huge threat, one that several ships and their captains couldn't handle together, much less on their own.


#18 DavAnthony

DavAnthony

    Rick & Pat know me by name.

  • Members
  • 389 posts

Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Leonard Nimoy)
The Donster: To not like it makes them ****heads wink.gif


Very Classy Donster. The thing I find amusing is that in this whole "discussion" about the merits of this movie I have not once resorted to calling some one retarded, or a ****head (as THE donster just did in a round and about but obvious way). Have I said that perhaps they are being affected by the continual Dumbing Down of entertainment and what the masses consider to be good-Yes. However that isn't a personal attack, it's a comment. There's is a difference. It seems with the SNL skit that Donster linked to where he bascially tole me that I'm a ****head (once again great argument strategy there THE Donster) But it seems that they even got good Ole' Leonard Nimoy telling people that if you don't like this movie that "you just don't get it, your a ****head or your fat and retarded looking" like the two Trekkies they had on the show.

Donster thank you for proving my point though. I've been stating that Star Trek has been watered and dumbed down and you resorting to an action that you felt would be clever proved my point of people behaving and therefore acting in the direction of the lowest common denominator that sadly this movie seems to of attracted.

#19 DavAnthony

DavAnthony

    Rick & Pat know me by name.

  • Members
  • 389 posts

Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:23 AM

[quote name='Gothneo' date='May 11 2009, 10:47 AM' post='37760']
Well, if Spock can't even save his mother, I doubt he can save his (1/2) brother!

You know, I get some of what DavAnthony is saying.

What's really new with this movie? It didn't really have me thinking about anything. In fact I went with a friend who wasn't a Trek Fan, and while we both enjoyed the film (we really did, we thought it was fun!), we thought there were huge holes in the plot, and much of it was forced. I had to explain the real motivation of Nero (I read the back story comic) because my friend came away thinking his revenge motivation against Spock was a bit weak.

In the end it's about a revenge driven antagonist (like Khan) that goes back in time (like the Borg Queen) to use it's "Death Star" like technology (Red Matter) to destroy Vulcan and Earth.

For myself (and my friend) the scene with young Kirk stealing and destroying his step-fathers car didn't sit right. It doesn't set him up to be a leader of men, a great captain, he comes off as a jerk IMO. Arrogant & self centered, without concern for the pain or hurt that he will cause to himself or others. That's not someone who inspires people to follow them. That's not a leader of men, women, or whatever... That's never been the James T. Kirk I've seen.

In particular, the Science was particularly bad in many scenes, which you can read about here. So it's more "fi" then Sci-Fi for me, and that's a bit of a disappointment as it was one of the things that Star Trek really prided it's self and attempted to do well.

That being said some of the positive.... I loved the way the bridge looked, and really loved the way engineering looked! I've been in many industrial plants and power plants, and personally, I think all the busy pipes and wires and such are much more realistic.

I thought the movie successfully re-introduced the friendships of Kirk, McCoy and Spock, and it did so with some smart and at time witty dialog. If there is one thing I walked away from that movie with, that was it.

I also really liked Simon Pegg as Scotty. Again one of the great things about TOS, was you had actors, like Doohan, that looked like your every day guy. Not a GQ guy, not a perfect smile, etc.

Overall, I was able to put aside that this isn't the Star Trek that I knew, or that I think Roddenberry envisioned, but it's probably the Star Trek he originally pitched the the corp suites... a space western, where star ships replace horses and zap guns replace 6-shooters. It took 40 years, but they finally got what they wanted all along tongue.gif
[/quote

Good points Gothneo. I like Simon Pegg I just didn't like them making Scotty as comedic as they did. I didn't mine Kirk being a jerk as a kid since they have to make him appealing to the smart ass generation that kids are nowadays. Also the transition from a jerk to a leader has happened to many people in the past who have become great leaders. There early years are marked by self-centerdness and self-glorification. Once time passes and they learn those approaches don't work they go the other direction.

I also think you hit the nail right on the head of how teens and young kids now have the feeling of entitlement. That you should just give them things and in their world it is completely reasonable that they should never have to work so to be a Cadet and go to Captain in the matter of a few days is the real world...frightening isn't it?

#20 JMW326

JMW326

    If I don't have it, they never made one.

  • Members
  • 4,836 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Charlotte, NC

Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (DavAnthony @ May 11 2009, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Leonard Nimoy)
The Donster: To not like it makes them ****heads wink.gif


Very Classy Donster. The thing I find amusing is that in this whole "discussion" about the merits of this movie I have not once resorted to calling some one retarded, a dickhead (as THE donster just did in a round and about but obvious way). Have I said that perhaps they are being affected by the continual Dumbing Down of entertainment and what the masses consider to be good-Yes. However that isn't a personal attack, it's a comment. There's is a difference. It seems with the SNL skit that Donster linked to where he bascially tole me that I'm a dickhead (once again great argument strategy there THE Donster) But it seems that they even got good Ole' Leonard Nimoy telling people that if you don't like this movie that "you just don't get it, your a dickhead or your fat and retarded looking" like the two Trekkies they had on the show.

Donster thank you for proving my point though. I've been stating that Star Trek has been watered and dumbed down and you resorting to an action that you felt would be clever proved my point of people behaving and therefore acting in the direction of the lowest common denominator that sadly this movie seems to of attracted.



At least we all paid to watch the movie so that we could make a good judgment instead of illegaly downloading it and posting such in the forums. Some people cant seem to make a biased judgment on this film due to the fact that they had already decided that they wouldnt like it. So instead they just try and pick apart everything and try and ruin it for everyone else.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users