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#1801 VulcanFanatic

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:58 PM

Bla bla bla bla... its a testiment to how good Star Trek: Discovery is that most who had subscribed for this show, are still subscribed, will continue to be subscribed to All Access and Netflix to enjoy not just Star Trek: Discovery but every other Star Trek series plus other content and new content both streaming services will surely add to retain customers and to entice new customers to the service.

Like anything, the quality of the product is key... if Star Trek: Discovery is any indication, All Access is just going to go from strength to strength with more quality Star Trek: Discovery seasons and new Star Trek series that will keep fans hooked. Not to mention other original content and popular shows only available on All Access.

All youre doing VF, with every post is further alienating yourself with this community. Not to mention the fact that you are so out of touch, so bitter and so set in your ways, you simply sound completely moronic.

Carry on sucking that lemon.

For a show thats only been out less than two months, CBS is already renewing it for a second season and you already are expecting grand things from All Access, but it hasn't even been two months yet. Unless they pull some new content out of their rear ends pretty soon, they may have a lot of people jumping ship. One comedy probably isn't enough to keep people hooked on this service. Netflix and HBO come out with a lot of exclusive content and they can't even keep all of their subscribers all year round. One comedy is supposed to keep people interested while Discovery is on break? Yeah right.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:07 AM

 I waste more than $99 on lots of other trinkets in my hobbies. 

 

The money I'm saving on Star Trek Minimates would certainly pay for the subscription. 



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:35 PM

:-( thats 'cause there aren't any new ones right?



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:59 PM

For a show thats only been out less than two months, CBS is already renewing it for a second season and you already are expecting grand things from All Access, but it hasn't even been two months yet. Unless they pull some new content out of their rear ends pretty soon, they may have a lot of people jumping ship. One comedy probably isn't enough to keep people hooked on this service. Netflix and HBO come out with a lot of exclusive content and they can't even keep all of their subscribers all year round. One comedy is supposed to keep people interested while Discovery is on break? Yeah right.


Youve got no idea what All Access has planned but you dont subscribe to a new service and expect that new service to just rely on one show. Just as you dont expect to switch on broadcast TV and expect that channel to just rely on the one show. Thats a ridiculous way to retain customers - in any business.

You havent got a damned clue, youre simply bitter about Star Trek being something you dont like anymore.

Star Trek is a massive part of All Access but CBS are already planning for the continued success of All Access, with Star Trek leading that charge but with other shows that will keep audiences subscribed.

Ask yourself this; if you were right, then how is it streaming services are so popular. All Acess has already proven its a successful business and not everyone who subscribed to it will cancel their subscription to it after Discovery has finished.

You can bet your last dollar CBS have already got another Star Trek show in the works that isnt related Discovery.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:25 PM

1701D... It has football too. NFL and College games. Also... for mobile and pc platforms they have CBSN, 24 hour live news feed... anywhere in the world! Those of us that get out of our front door from time to time find value in that. 

 

but lets just assume 'ol VoldaVulcan has a point... and after DISCO goes into suspension subs fall back to where they were... all that should do is justify producing more exclusive Trek content and having it on almost all the time to keep the subs up!



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:51 PM

I fully expect them to have rotating Trek series so theyll have it on most of the year to maintain subscribers.

Id prefer two, Discovery and something else, so we dont have too much.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:16 PM

Youve got no idea what All Access has planned but you dont subscribe to a new service and expect that new service to just rely on one show. Just as you dont expect to switch on broadcast TV and expect that channel to just rely on the one show. Thats a ridiculous way to retain customers - in any business.

You havent got a damned clue, youre simply bitter about Star Trek being something you dont like anymore.

Star Trek is a massive part of All Access but CBS are already planning for the continued success of All Access, with Star Trek leading that charge but with other shows that will keep audiences subscribed.

Ask yourself this; if you were right, then how is it streaming services are so popular. All Acess has already proven its a successful business and not everyone who subscribed to it will cancel their subscription to it after Discovery has finished.

You can bet your last dollar CBS have already got another Star Trek show in the works that isnt related Discovery.

Streaming services are very popular. They are also very easy to dump. Many people only subscribe to HBO when Game of Thrones is running a new season and then immediately dump it as soon as the season is completed. If HBO with all of it's exclusive shows can't keep keep consistent subscribers, how do you think a newbie streaming service with very little exclusive content is going to hold on to subscribers? The way many probably did with Discovery was wait until the first group of episodes were already aired, then start a free trial and binge through all that are available, then cancel when the bill comes due.Then CBS counts the free trials as a bump up in their subscribers base, even though most will never pay a monthly subscription and cancel. If they come up with a second Star Trek series that actually is faithful to past series, they might actually win back all of the fans they have alienated, until then , screw them and their crappy app.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:53 PM

I fully expect them to have rotating Trek series so theyll have it on most of the year to maintain subscribers.

Id prefer two, Discovery and something else, so we dont have too much.


My guess is that after season one of Discovery finishes, the Star Trek project Nicholas Meyer has been working on will be announced - my guess is a mini series of 6-8 episodes based upon the rise and fall of Khan. Either released all at once like Stranger Things or weekly.

A truly period specific piece that takes place on Ceti Alpha V.

And maybe thats how it will go. The meat and potatoes will be Discovery, sprinkled with Anthology mini series that focus on a particular character or event in the Star Trek timeline. First up Khan, next? Maybe a story based during the Dominion War? Maybe a story based on the lower decks of the Enterprise E? Maybe a story based upon Captain Riker onboard the USS Titan.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 07:27 AM

I just want a Trek series that takes place aboard an Enterprise, seeking out new life and new civilizations. Shit like that.



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:31 AM

I think theres definitely a desire from viewers and fans to see a return to a new Enterprise with a new crew, going boldly and seeking out new civilisations.

I dont know if CBS are ready for that though. I think for what ever reason, it seems as though they are bent on making a Star Trek show that is bigger than the original premise of being just about one ship and a diverse crew going boldly, bumping into very real problems being experienced on Earth as it is today.

Is it universe building? I think so. I think when Les Moonves says that Star Trek is key to their success, he really means it. I think CBS imagines a franchise that has multiple avenues to go down in terms of characters, timelines, stories, ships etc... it isnt so much about boldly going where no one has been before. Its more to do with boldly going where weve all been before but never really got as much story out of characters or plots as we could of. In short; I think they are more interested in exploring already established aspects of Star Trek.

That doesnt mean that eventually we wont get a new Star Trek show that is set aboard a new Enterprise, with a new crew and going boldly seeking out new life, worlds and civilisations. Just not yet.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:27 AM

There's also the possibility that they're saving the Enterprise for feature films. Which would be a shame. They've proven that two can coexist successfully.



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:12 PM

Maybe they can do a show from the perspective of the Dominion!  :roflmao:



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:19 PM

Maybe they can do a show from the perspective of the Dominion!  :roflmao:

As long as the focus is on Weyoun. 

 

Any Trek show that would star Jeffrey Combs is an instant win in my book. 

 

Give me a show where Jeffrey Combs plays the entire main cast in different make up and I'd be happy. 



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:25 PM

I haven't read all of VF's posts in this thread, but it feels like he's being unfairly ganged up on.

I know exactly how he feels about Disco.

Like Enterprise and JJTrek before it, it is staking claim to an era of Star Trek about which many things are already known... and overwriting them. It's shoehorning a new character into Spock's family and completely ignoring and recasting the aesthetics of the time period (with the notable exception of the phasers) and the Klingons. What makes this worse is that it's neither decades removed from established continuity, nor is it claiming to be set in a parallel universe.

If the creative team had respect for the franchise (rather than simply seeing the brand as a way to make a quick buck), this show would add to the canon of Star Trek, not alter it. I have no problem with an *updated*, *more realistic* look for the universe... but this is just *different*. There's no rhyme or reason for it.

There is an implied devaluation of Star Trek as-it-was in the attitude on display here.

People respond to these complaints with mockery along the lines of the "black and white Twilight Zone" comment on the last page. That's a straw man argument. We're not looking for a return to the production values of the 1960's, we're looking for the vision of the 1960s realised with modern production techniques.

There are indeed nods here and there, such as the gridded screens in the quarters or the aforementioned phaser designs, but "nods" and "references" to canon are nowhere near sufficient when something is supposed to be canon!

 

How much more satisfying would it be if the technique applied to the phasers were applied to everything: Where you could see something familiar and say "Ah! That's what it's supposed to look like!". (Here is that same philosophy applied to the TOS Enterprise)

 

In short:

UPDATE, not OVERWRITE

 

Now, all of this would be of secondary concern had Discovery been the best-written show ever, and not started on such a sour note. Things have been steadily improving since the pilot episodes, but terrible dialogue, pat exposition, and nonsensical "rule of cool" action scenes still hold far too much sway over this show.

 

You claim VF is sucking on lemons... well... poor choice of metaphor is all I'll say.



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

I haven't read all of VF's posts in this thread, but it feels like he's being unfairly ganged up on.

 

You need to find the ones in which the Discovery criticism (sheep's clothing) is quite clearly lifted to reveal the true bigotry against certain human beings (wolf) behind it.  This has occurred in 2-3 posts in at least 2 of the threads in this section recently.  It's why some of us have him on ignore, but his name keeps popping up in quotes and responses from time to time so I still see some of it.



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:41 PM

Destructor, I don't think anyone is ganging up on anyone... if they really think so, they should hit the "report" button... .every post has one, and a mod will take a look...

 

Like Whirlygig... the only time I see anything VulcanFanatic posts is if someone quotes it... 

 

 

There is an implied devaluation of Star Trek as-it-was in the attitude on display here.

People respond to these complaints with mockery along the lines of the "black and white Twilight Zone" comment on the last page. That's a straw man argument. We're not looking for a return to the production values of the 1960's, we're looking for the vision of the 1960s realised with modern production techniques.

 

 

I think I made the suggestion to do new Twilight Zone in B&W... and I wasn't mocking anyone... in fact I was darn right serious and I really believe that B&W noir has a place if done right, and doing TZ in such a way would be not just a respectful nod, but would enhance the experience. If your talking about something else... ok... but if not... I'll say your the one missing the point. 

 

The problem isn't the criticism... most of us watching the show have deep, well founded critiques... and many of us while recognizing it as *good* TV, are waiting to pass judgment if the final product is *good* Trek. 

 

We are engaging it... critiquing it real time... but some are just poo pooing everything about it... without I might say engaging it to see where its going. 

 

 

How much more satisfying would it be if the technique applied to the phasers were applied to everything: Where you could see something familiar and say "Ah! That's what it's supposed to look like!".

 

 

I find these type of comments to be insightful, and generally I agree... but we've also been told that any obvious break from canon will be explained... the question is will it be explained satisfactorily... will they pull the entire plot line together and finally give us that GR "Humanist" optimistic view of the future? 

 

The answer is we don't know yet! 

 

But are you... as a fan at least interested in finding out? If so, join us in exploring where they are going... if its just not your bag, ok, those of us watching it can understand that.

 

Additionally, I'll add that having this as exclusive content allows me to go back and re-watch episodes... and in most cases, my appreciation for it has increased... especially after a recent episode reveals aspects... at the same time, I feel some of my criticisms are validated. 



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:57 PM

Ultimately... CBS is offering Trek up on a sub model. People can vote with their wallet... and sadly, for those that really don't care for DISCO, its a financial success... and enough that we are getting more next year.

 

One can only assume it validates, in the minds of CBS, the direction they have taken it... and they may not switch directions until enough people send them notice via their paycheck.

 

I do agree with and hope that we get something in the future that jumps forward and not backwards or shoehorns things as you point out.



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:20 PM

When all is said by us here. CBS knows their brand more than us. We know what we love, we get Star Trek because weve followed every incarnation of this franchise. What we dont know is the business side of things that cbs and paramount go on in making a decision about where to go to next.

Discovery is a success because its a great Star Trek series - yes Ive had my problems with it, as has everyone else here, but its also a success because CBS knew where to take Star Trek and how they wanted to move it forward. Plus I think they understand the truth that is most Star Trek fans are happy enough with new, good Star Trek on TV, on the big screen, in comics, books etc...

What we say here is relevant to each other on here. Its irrelevant to what CBS know about the franchise as a whole through statistics and the statistics have proven to be correct when you point to the success Discovery has had. So being a huge hit, not just for All Access, but for Netflix too, when fans like VF show their true colours, you understand why CBS went the way they went with Discovery.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:27 PM

You need to find the ones in which the Discovery criticism (sheep's clothing) is quite clearly lifted to reveal the true bigotry against certain human beings (wolf) behind it.

 

Hmm, ok, that sounds dodgy alright. Though if the subject of those criticisms is a human named Kurtzman, and is motivated by writing style, I'd be ok with it.

 

 

 

When all is said by us here. CBS knows their brand more than us.

 

I don't think they do. What they do know is roughly what sells.

 

My personal metric for what is "great" is not informed by viewing figures or profits. It's informed by competent and compelling story telling.

When it comes to an existing property like Star Trek, competency means fitting the production to the setting. Discovery fails that one badly.

Compelling story telling is self-explanatory. Events and decisions that follow logically and cleverly from moment to moment, providing a solid basis for emotional involvement in the story. Discovery is improving episode by episode in that respect, but it started off very poorly, with events and decisions poorly explained or justified and regular bouts of bloody awful dialogue. It will have a very hard time overcoming its "sore thumb" status in canon.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass what "sells", unless what's selling is going to prompt more of what I like.

 

I like Star Trek. On that note, it's heartening to see The Orville doing well.

 

Hopefully, the marketers will take notes from that show - although they're very likely to miss the substance: High-concept sci-fi featuring people working together in friendship for the good of everyone, and grasp the shadow: Episodic storytelling and low-brow humour!

I have a very low opinion of Hollywood suits and "visionary" creative types these days.







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