Looks like 1st sneak peak reviews are in for the Orville...
and.. oh my... is all I can say :-(
But... this is only one critic... and some of the negatives sound like positives to me!
As with anything, I'll watch for myself and decide!
Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:11 PM
Looks like 1st sneak peak reviews are in for the Orville...
and.. oh my... is all I can say :-(
But... this is only one critic... and some of the negatives sound like positives to me!
As with anything, I'll watch for myself and decide!
Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:44 PM
Posted 30 August 2017 - 08:44 AM
Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:26 AM
1701D I put the link to the review in the thread!
The critics were apparently given an advanced preview of the first three episodes.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:40 AM
I saw, I agree with you Goth, it's as I expected - I mean sure if the comedy falls flat or that it's an awkward viewing experience that doesn't know what it is then it'll be seen as confusing, not as comedic as most people expect and an uneaven balance between drama and humour is not what you expect to see when watching a Seth McFarlane production. It's fart jokes, riskay dialogue etc... he is though very tuned into issues that effect the world today and because of that I think he'd be great as an executive on an actual Star Trek show.1701D I put the link to the review in the thread!
The critics were apparently given an advanced preview of the first three episodes.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:56 AM
Posted 30 August 2017 - 11:47 AM
I'll give it a chance but my expectations have been managed appropriately. This isn't so much a Star Trek parody as it is "Galaxy Quest, Too."
Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:03 PM
I'm hoping they quit focusing on trying to be something else... do their own thing and fill the void that McFarlane has acknowledged exists for sci-fi shows... something more optimistic with a message.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:32 PM
Yeah, that's what I was hoping it would be is a more optimistic sci-fi show with some comedy. I think the critics were expecting it to be 90% comedy, and i assume were thrown off because it had more story. It appears from the trailer to have as much or more story than Discovery. I think that's a good thing and can work with comedy.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:52 PM
Yeah, that's what I was hoping it would be is a more optimistic sci-fi show with some comedy. I think the critics were expecting it to be 90% comedy, and i assume were thrown off because it had more story. It appears from the trailer to have as much or more story than Discovery. I think that's a good thing and can work with comedy.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:58 PM
I didn't say Discovery had no story. A serialized show inherently has to keep things somewhat simple. That's why they have chosen to fall back on a war themed story. I would expect Orville to have some variety of episodes some light ones and occasionally some well thought out ones.
I think another good example of a comedy series that is doing this is Rick & Morty. I avoided that series for a long time and recently watched it and to my surprise there were some really good sci-fi stories. The type of stories that make you think rather than just tuning in each week to see who's winning the war.
I don't know how well the Orville will do, but at this point I think it will outlast Discovery.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 04:39 PM
I think The Orville is the kind of series that won't make it beyond its first season, certainly it won't outlast Discovery or Star Trek but will have its fans that may want to see it continue but only as a poor substitute for Star Trek.I didn't say Discovery had no story. A serialized show inherently has to keep things somewhat simple. That's why they have chosen to fall back on a war themed story. I would expect Orville to have some variety of episodes some light ones and occasionally some well thought out ones.
I think another good example of a comedy series that is doing this is Rick & Morty. I avoided that series for a long time and recently watched it and to my surprise there were some really good sci-fi stories. The type of stories that make you think rather than just tuning in each week to see who's winning the war.
I don't know how well the Orville will do, but at this point I think it will outlast Discovery.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 05:13 PM
Ha! I started an Orville Thread so we wouldn't have to mix Discovery and Orville Convo... but I guess its inevitable!
I think... in the absence of actually *seeing* the product people are gonna guess and make comparisons... and they probably will even after both shows air.
If Trek has moved away from the Optimistic future story telling with a moral... and something like the Orville comes along and fills that niche... can we really say its a Trek Ripoff anymore??
I hope that Comparing The Orville to any Trek show... including Discovery will be like comparing Trek and Babylon 5... which some people do... but anyone thats seen them both knows they are very different shows.
Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:45 PM
Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:49 PM
Still looking forward to MacFarlane's Orville,but not expecting much,which is good,'cos then I might end up liking it more,lol!
Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:48 AM
Posted 31 August 2017 - 07:09 AM
In a way they both suffer from the same problem - they are both trying to be something they're not.
Discovery is trying to be the next big serialised Game of Thrones type drama
Orville is trying to be the next Star Trek show everyone wants to see from... Star Trek
Both shows will generate their own fans but neither show will work.
The difference between them though is that Orville doesn't have 50 years of history behind it, it doesn't have a large following/fanbase and probably never will - its more likely to be embraced by Star Trek fans who miss Star Trek the way it was in the 90's but will ultimately only ever be one season. Ironically, Where Orville could succeed is on Netflix. Appealing to a niche crowd, every week being a morality play in the same way Star Trek was.
Discovery meanwhile may polarise much of the fan base but ultimately it still has the support of being a part of this vast legacy and while season 1 may not resonate, because it's Star Trek, it will have a season 2 - in what shape or form season 2 takes is a different story for a different thread.
I'm not sure how you're so certain the Orville is only lasting one season. I think it will get 2-3 at least. Even if it does poorly I think they may give it a second chance just because it has Seth McFarlane tied to it. Personally I think if any series is in danger of only one season it's Discovery. I agree they are both trying to be something they are not, but a comedy has a little more leniency when it comes to that.
Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:27 PM
[Checking to see which thread we're in... Okay.]
Orville is a broadcast series on Fox. Anyone who's watched a fledgling show on this network knows that if it doesn't hit within the first half of the season, especially if it's a high-budget sci-fi-fi project, it's on the bubble at best. There have been plenty of network shows canned before they get to six episodes. It's pretty ruthless.
And believe me, Fox will do everything they can to make sure this show fails, from pre-empting it in favor of sports and putting it on hiatus to airing episodes out of order.
Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:41 PM
I don't know how we can say The Orville is trying to be something its not when we haven't seen it!
Again... I think people are overlaying their wishes and desires...
Also if Mcfarlane has anything going for him.. its getting his shows canceled by fox.. then resurrected (multiple times!)
Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:43 PM
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