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Posted 20 August 2009 - 04:09 PM

Sounds to me like Megan Fox is a smart @$$ who takes her fame for granted . We need an actress who not only looks nice but cares about her role , not another Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan .

Let them ride their short lived fame trains for as long as the public cares till they are seen for what they are, foul mouthed , talentless , shallow folks .

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:35 PM

I know almost nothing, no wait, I do know nothing about Fathom. Zero. However just glancing at this cover http://en.wikipedia....hom_issue_1.jpg I can see that they are not going to hire a women who's not hot for the role. Can't see it. If being hot takes away from your talent, as so many seem to act, I say give the role to Kathy Bates who is a darn fine actress. If not then Megan Fox, whom I really don't find that attractive personally, has a darn good shot at it.

Or how about Jessica Biel who is not only HOT, but strikes me as a more then good enough actress. Or Jennifer Love Hewitt who is also hot and can act.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:36 PM

Seriously ladies and gents? Arent we the same board who a few threads back lambasted this same movie for being absolutely horrific? Isnt it what the TNG actors did after Nemesis fully sunk in with us? I just dont get it. If you dont like her so be it but please dont try to justify it with evidence that hardly states anything. Everyone who saw that movie probably had the same exact reaction and Id personally would rather have an actor or actress who tells it like it is with a film as opposed to trying to sugar coat it and sell me tickets to something that is awful. Thats just my stance.

As for Fathom when I first saw the news being a fan of the book I KNOW that Fox is perfect for this role. I cant think of anyone else currently that would fit the requirements.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 12:11 AM

Honestly Jules, do you really feel this strongly about the casting of Fox or are you just arguing for arguments sake? I mean we haven't see you in several months and this is the one thread you migrate to, a thread about the casting of a Fathom movie?I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you have a stack of Fathom comics sitting on your shelf. I'm a big comic fan and the most I know about this character is the artist who created. I'm so sorry that actress is getting a role she clearly resembles because of her physical assets. As others have pointed out, it's not like this hasn't happened before. This is what I meant with my earlier comments about it getting boring after awhile. Because it's the same folks time after time hijacking thread and pretty much saying the same thing over and over again.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:29 AM

^^^ It's a real pity Donster that fatherhood has apparently turned you into a humourless member of the thought police, or that becoming a father has suddenly promoted you to a higher order of beings who thinks they have the right to direct discussions the way you think they should go. Seriously, you seem to be the only person not contributing to this thread in a constructive way that advances the discussion, and perhaps you need an epiphany to understand that perhaps the most boring thing of all is the negative person who simply wastes his time moaning about the contributions of other members to a discussion. You need to learn this lesson real fast or you'll simply pass on to your kids an inability to deal with strong opinions being expressed (totally on topic I might add) ~ especially if they differ from yours. You might think that you come across as a reasonable balanced guy, but in all honesty you come across as dour, pompous, and extremely negative in the way you interract with other members, and it's not just here, but also over have any right to be remembered, let alone discussed. Evidence of this approach of yours is all over the AA/DST thread in this forum as well, where you have attacked members for complaining about DST's product.

Not that it's any business of yours, but I don't actually have a stack of "Fathom" comics in my house because I have to draw the collecting line somewhere. I do actually own a few comics and graphic novels, and I do still have a very large collection of Star Trek toys and other related goodies, including a Nero figure from the new movie ~ which I think is a bit crap, but I guess if wrote about that here you'd stomp on me for doing that too. Also, not that it's your place to question my motives for anything at all, I am a keen movie-goer and I actually care about how movie audiences are treated whether I own the comic books, tee-shirt or whatever specific to a franchise. This does not give me less of a right to have an opinion about Megan Fox, especially when I see regressive attitudes being shown by male members of a forum, such as those you yourself subscribe to and then try to excuse.

However, that's not really germane to this discussion because the topic is actually about the casting of Megan Fox in the role of a comicbook female, and it could have been any one of a number of female comic women, and my opinion about Megan Fox would have been the same. The reason as to why I chose to contribute this thread is because I have a good friend over at Trekunited who recently wrote a blog about her and her attitude, which is how she blipped on my radar. Also, not that it's really any of your business as to why I occasionally stop by this forum, I have spent the last year completing a post-graduate teaching qualification and gaining myself some credits towards a masters degree. This type of activity tends to be time-consuming, and now I'm on holiday and I come here because there are members here that I have known ever since the old days over at AA that you don't think we should talk about. It might also be worth mentioning that I was of the early members of this forum who joined by personal invitation from Mark a few years ago.

You may not like me or my opinions, but I don't see anything that gives you the right to "scold" me like some scool marm. Doing so simply "hijacks" the topic further because I will certainly own my right to reply, especially when my motives for even being here are being misrepresented. If you try pulling that stunt here or over at minimate multiverse (a place I visit from time to time because I know old AA people there as well) again, you can expect the same response because you don't have the right to question my presence, motivation, or methods.

I note that I am the only member being attacked by you for having an opinion against Ms Fox and being accused of being off-topic, when as far as I know the discussion has remained entirely on-topic because it has pertained to Ms Fox and her motivations for doing what she does. Another member has posted an expletive-ridden interview which pretty much supports my point about her, so why you seem to think you can deny the right to respond to that God only knows, but maybe your time would be better spent in helping Trish raise that kids of yours.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:49 AM

Jules, much of that post could be considered very borderline personal. I will let it stand as is, but I I would present future posts with a little less advice towards how one raises their children, ect... ANd yes Jules you have also borderline turned this topic about Miss Fox, and if she would be good for a certain role, in a "woman's lib" argument. Here is my own comment on that. Women's Lib to me is not that she conforms to what you think she should do but that she has the freedom to do what she wants to do with herself and her body right up to the point of working on a street corner if that is what she wants to do.


Now let me again say this, read the title of the topic, IF your post is going to cover ANYTHING other then that, start a new thread, don't post it, or change your post to one that is one the subject of the topic.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:50 AM

QUOTE (FHC @ Aug 21 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know almost nothing, no wait, I do know nothing about Fathom. Zero. However just glancing at this cover http://en.wikipedia....hom_issue_1.jpg I can see that they are not going to hire a women who's not hot for the role. Can't see it. If being hot takes away from your talent, as so many seem to act, I say give the role to Kathy Bates who is a darn fine actress.


I don't think anyone has suggested that they hire an actress who isn't attractive. Realistically, that's not going to happen, and I guess I would want to see an absolute minger cast as Spidey either!

Nobody is suggesting that being attractive detracts from talent (if it's there), but it is true to say that the behaviour of - say - a Paris Hilton or a Lindsey Lohan, brings the whole question of a celebrity's attractiveness into question. Fox, Hilton, and Lohan are, superficially, attractive on the outside, but I would suggest that if you probably wouldn't want any of these women promoting your movie franchise because nobody's is going to take them seriously. Fox's persona and her potty-mouth are in fact likely to mitigate against her being hired to front a franchise in conservative Hollywood, especially now that she scrubbing alloys in the internet. None of that kind of behaviour screams high intelligence to me.

It's not like Hollywood is exactly short of attractive women to choose from without picking an actress who is likely to tell her audiences to eff off, or highlighting exactly how dumb her latest movie outing actually is. That's not "telling it how it is" that's just dissembing and wanting people to love her because she can't do anything to help herself out of the career doldrums she is in.

You know, there are actresses out there who not only could persuade me to be a friends of Dorothy's if I wasn't so firmly hetero, but also have intellegence, grace enough to do everything they do (even appear in dumb movies) well, and who are warm and witty in interviews. Movies need people who are going to promote the product well and who are going to treat the audiences that go to their movies with respect, anything else is going to prove counter-productive, and if you have an actress who can't string an opinon together without lasing into Anglo-Saxon is probably likely to be more of a problem in the US than it would be over here, I should think.

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Or how about Jessica Biel who is not only HOT, but strikes me as a more then good enough actress. Or Jennifer Love Hewitt who is also hot and can act.


I rest my case... wink.gif

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE (FHC @ Aug 21 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jules, much of that post could be considered very borderline personal. I will let it stand as is, but I I would present future posts with a little less advice towards how one raises their children, ect... ANd yes Jules you have also borderline turned this topic about Miss Fox, and if she would be good for a certain role, in a "woman's lib" argument. Here is my own comment on that. Women's Lib to me is not that she conforms to what you think she should do but that she has the freedom to do what she wants to do with herself and her body right up to the point of working on a street corner if that is what she wants to do.



That's an interesting point in itself, because Ms Fox has claimed that she does what she does because the male-dominated movie industry leaves her with no choice, and none of it is about doing "what she wants" but about doing what she thinks she has to do in order to get noticed (for her talent). Not only does that look, smell, or sound like personal choice, it is also significant that, in a world where many actresses still manage to get roles without compromsing themselves, there is a woman who percieves that she has "no choice". The answer to that is not easily covered in one short post, but I'll leave it hanging out there for people to ponder. This ought to be of interest to all genuine fans of "Fathom", because if I were a devoted fan of that franchise, I would worry deeply that the actress playing the titular role (no pun intended!) has gone on record more than once to highlight her own views about the work she has done so far apparently being beneath her. Would her opinion be the same about "Fathom"? It's a thought... especially in a time of recession when people are dealing with high unemployment and it looks ungracious to scorn any kind of onscreen job.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:17 AM

I think sometimes casting is really as simple as this


I really wonder what story they are going to pick. Her origin story is pretty good and I think it would translate well into the movies. On the other hand after seeing GIJOE Im a bit concerned about the underwater CGI used because the stuff in Joe was a bit under average IMO and I dont think Ive ever seen it done well.


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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:35 AM

Hmmm....moving on unsure.gif Yeah, it seems most movies have to do the origin story to catch up the general/casual audience Andy and I see this being no different. My question is, if Fox should drop the project, who else would be qualified to take on the role that my please everyone?

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 09:22 AM

K guys/gals. When it gets insulting we close it down. Sorry.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (The_Donster @ Aug 21 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My question is, if Fox should drop the project, who else would be qualified to take on the role that my please everyone?

My question is, why not make it a CGI movie? The field of potential stars to voice it opens up possibilities considerably. You're then not tied to how good a person *looks* for the role.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (JulesLuvsShinzon @ Aug 21 2009, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's an interesting point in itself, because Ms Fox has claimed that she does what she does because the male-dominated movie industry leaves her with no choice, and none of it is about doing "what she wants" but about doing what she thinks she has to do in order to get noticed (for her talent). Not only does that look, smell, or sound like personal choice, it is also significant that, in a world where many actresses still manage to get roles without compromsing themselves, there is a woman who percieves that she has "no choice". The answer to that is not easily covered in one short post, but I'll leave it hanging out there for people to ponder. This ought to be of interest to all genuine fans of "Fathom", because if I were a devoted fan of that franchise, I would worry deeply that the actress playing the titular role (no pun intended!) has gone on record more than once to highlight her own views about the work she has done so far apparently being beneath her. Would her opinion be the same about "Fathom"? It's a thought... especially in a time of recession when people are dealing with high unemployment and it looks ungracious to scorn any kind of onscreen job.


Could you link me to the interview? It's always easy to blame what you want to do on someone or something else. It's so much cooler, so much more "Bad girl, nasty" to blame it on someone. I didn't want to take candy Mommy, Timmy made me do it..... personally I think that she loves every minute of what she does. Rock Stars complain about life on the road then go on 2 year long tours, for example. Even if you show me an interview where she says anything even close to what you claim she says, what that really means is "I was willing to do whatever it took to be noticed faster" Sorry that is a choice. I traded what I had to do in order to get me some money that I wanted. she had a choice and she did not have to do it. It's not like Mom needs a new liver and she "had to do it" to pay for the operation. get back on the bus to wherever you came from and work at the local theater.

Here's an example. Casting agent comes up to Miss Fox, She says, Miss Fox, we have the very nice script that you would work well in. You will play this little farm wife and the part will have many many dramatic moments. In this movie you could very well showcase you talents. It pays XXX which of course will keep you living well and driving your new car. OR we have this part over here playing Fathom. You will of course have to strip down and show at the very least your breasts and maybe a bit more. However, it pays $300,000 more then the farm wife movie. The farm wife movie pays very well, but this is more.

Two week later in an interview, Miss Fox says,"In order to get the Fathom movie I had to show my breasts".

She made a choice, she choose a movie and she cashes the check when Fathom comes out.

Still I am an average guy from an average place and I have no idea what this Fathom is or about. Going to have to find a way (is Miss Fox the way?) to get a whole lot of people that have no idea in the world who or what Fathom is, to get interested in coming to see it. From what I've seen so far, it interest me very little and let's face it, I'm a nerd.

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 04:29 AM

http://www.trekunite...p;showentry=631

I'm afraid that I can't link you directly to the article (but you can probably get to it by googling "Entertainment Weekly"), but above is a link to the blog and subsequent discussion I had over at Trekunited.com/forum with the blog's author, Terrilyn, who is an even bigger equality hawk than I am. Her blog also contains a direct link to Fox's "audition" washing a Ferrari, and, you will note, that Terrilyn has read Fox's interview no less than 3 times and is not sure whether she abhors or admires Ms Fox, or both. It's interesting thought provoking stuff in which we question whther a system which expects women to bare their breasts for money-spinning parts is something that needs to end.

On another note, you mention a movie about a "farmer's wife" and, here's the thing, big movies like Cold Mountain that attract genuine A-list talent in which two women await the return of a soldier in a mountain farm - is probably precisely that in a nutshell. In fact, one of the biggest problems with the remake/blockbuster/comic-book mindset to Hollywodd at this moment is the lack of thoughtful movies for great actresses to show their ability in. There's not enough diversity in the product being fed to the public that Hollywood perceives to be composed of young men.

On the point of honesty: I think you may well be right in thinking that Ms Fox is really getting off big time in watch she's doing, but maybe lacks the guts to be honest about it because she's so aware of how a lot of women view Hollywood and its systematic exploitation of cookie-cutter hot women. In reality, men are apt to use the old double-standard to scorm such women while they enjoy having a good look. I don't buy the idea that she's being honest, and resorting to the "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" argument against her fellow women really shows how little she has thought this through.

I also make a point and a distinction between actresses like Jolie and some of those such as Glenn Close and Meryl Streep who enjoy long careers because their looks are different enough to have got them the intersting roles in which they could display their talent. Fox is beautiful but she's not distinctive like a Jolie or a Witherspoon, and definitely not in the league of a Knightly.

I think it shows exactly how far removed Ms Fox is from her own understanding of her own sex because, in point of fact, if she were honest enough to say that she gets off on what she does, I for one would have way more respect for her because she's standing up to be counted and not dissembling because she actually worries about the way in which the public percieve her ~ and you only have to read the comments written about that audition to know what I'm talking about here. You know, if she enjoys doing that then why not simply say that rather than whinge about a system or about the unfairness of other women holding her in contempt for bowing to a system that's little better than sexual slavery.

There are women who enjoy glamour modelling, appearing in porn movies, or being prostitues (although not, I would think, on street corners) and some get paid well enough to persue other interests they would not have had access to otherwise. I don't have a bad word to say about these women because they are the ones doing the exploiting, and all power to them. In other words they are owning their choices, and they enjoy being sexually demonstrative, and not being forced into regarding their sexual attributes as a "commodity" for money or power to have their pick of better jobs ike Ms Fox is claiming she is forced to do.


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Posted 22 August 2009 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees @ Aug 21 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My question is, why not make it a CGI movie? The field of potential stars to voice it opens up possibilities considerably. You're then not tied to how good a person *looks* for the role.


A good point!! And again, this isn't really about hotness (i think we're all agreed that our comic book heroes shouldn't look like bank clerks), it's about intent. A really well crafted CGI movie with some A-list talent to do the voices (this always seems to work well for Pixar) would broaden the appeal of this character. I'm like FHC, I don't know this character well.

Even better, make it in 3D. I've read that 3D is making a comeback big stylee and a lot of Odeon cinemas are tooling up for a raft of 3D movies coming out. I''m a sucker for 3D movies, and I can't wait for James Cameron's new sci-fi offering!

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:14 AM

This book really doesnt fit the CGI mold. The book was released by Michael Turner to capture the same energy that Witchblade had. Obviously by most of us not knowing of it it did not come close to that. I believe that there are some movies that are designed to be "Oscar-worthy" and some movies that are designed to be commercial successes or just something that producers hope people will go see. Im not really looking for any Oscar nods with this one but really you never know. If you would have told me 10 years ago that a Batman film or a film about a pro-wrestler would have been in the discussion for an Oscar I would have called you crazy. Strange things happen in Hollywood.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 03:46 PM

She might be to busy for Fanthom

http://entertainment...man-260809.html


ANI): Megan Fox is set to take up the role of Catwoman in the next Batman flick, it has emerged. Also, actors Christian Bale and Michael Caine will reprise their characters from "The Dark Knight'.


Buzz up!The shooting of the film, which will be directed by Christopher Nolan, may start next year. However, the film is not expected to be release until in 2011, reports the Sun. Fox will take up the mantle from Halley Berry who starred in Catwoman in 2004.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 04:01 PM

Well , that looks like her schedual is all buttoned up for the next year or two . So , who else who be good as Fathom ? I vote for Jessica Alba .

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:04 PM

Well thats a huge disappointment. She is perfect for Fathom Im not so sure about Catwoman. Julie Newmar is pretty tough to top. Is this being reported anywhere else besides the Sun?

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 06:56 AM

^^^The Sun is not considered to be a reliable source of information about anything. It's a red-top tabloid and they'd claim that Marilyn Monroe was going to play the next catwoman if it sold copies.

And Julie Newmar was an absolute goddess. I don't think anybody could really better her ~ much like nobody is ever going to better Heath Ledger in the role of The Joker.




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