General Trek Movie Discussion & Review Thread

Yeah, definately need some Klingons for Trek XII.

I'm going with Khan! We need to start a petition to draft Freddie Prinze Jr. now!!

Freddie Prinze Jr? Don't know if I could see him as Khan.

I think its great that we finally have a time travel episode/movie that actually changes something. I was beginning to wonder why villians ever tried to time travel to get what they wanted because the original continuity was always established. If JJ didnt change the course of continuity would it make any difference to the everyday fan? Is it really worth keeping a dead franchise on some off chance that somebody will pick up after Nemesis or is it better to have JJ reboot the franchise and have open reign with what he wants to do as a storyteller. Heres my take: If |JJ wasnt able to change continuity then these movies would have no real suspense. Sulu can't die, Kik's life is pretty much mapped out....so where does the mysetery and suspense come from. Doing movies within an already established timeline can be fun but takes away from the connection to the characters. This was a good film that had a good story. I cant wait to see what they have in store for us next.

True but the problem as I see it is the studio will only see that we made a movie with very little substance and people ate it up. What will come out of it is the movie studios will realize that once again flash beat out substance and play to that flash instead of the substance. It was the same method of thinking that brought us Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and the slew of tongue in cheek movies that came afterwards (anyone remember the Shadow?) Batman came out in 89 and had some quirky moments in it but overall it was serious and took itself seriously. Than Batman Returns came out and it went more into the quirky and odd than serious then for Batman Forever they went off the deep end into lazy storytelling and followed that up with the epic Batman and Robin.


If you think this was "the best" Star Trek movie ever that's your opinion. However this movie lacks the heart to have people talking about it in 20 years like Wrath of Khan. Give people explosions and flashy stuff and they tend to get drawn in nowadays. Really sit and focus in on this story...what's the resonance...what's it about...what aspects about life is it commenting on? That is what Star Trek USED to be about. Now it's about flash, sizzle, and big explosions. Yes Star Trek used to have those elements in it but that wasn't all it was about. You could sit back afterwards and realize what they attempted to say meanwhile having been thoroughly entertained by the flash and sizzle.

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I don't care that the ship was built in Iowa instead of space. I'm not a continuity nazi and those people tend to annoy me a bit. BUT Plot holes (aka moments of severe convenience), the Enterprise just happens to be being built in the same town that Kirk lives in, Scotty is on the same planet that just happens to have Spock and Kirk, Kirk gets sent down to a planet that just happens to be where Spock is, Spock purposefully sends Kirk down to a planet that he may get killed on where he just happens to run into a big monster who chases him right into a cave that Spock just happens to be living in, the entire "I'm running from a snow monster" with Kirk yelling "Whoooaaa" was like something out of Galaxy Quest or Pokemon. The Scotty being flushed around the engine room tubes was like something out of Willa Wonka...yeah this was surely an epic. The fact that I wasn't ravenous for a new Star Trek gives me a bit of distance where I didn't think these moments were truly...Epic. There is a universal translator on the bridge that can understand alien languages but it can't seem to understand Chekov's "w" pronunciation of v, I mean really, C'mon guys !

AS far as Thomas E Johnson. How DARE you tell me that I can't express my opinion! If you want to play that game than you NEED to accept that fact that I think this movie lowered Star Trek many more levels than it was after Nemesis (which had a great message and was horrifically directed by Baird therefore losing the message to what of would of been an excellent movie otherwise). Also the reason Trek began to suck as much as it did was not that it was getting old but that Berman was a man with very little vision who was more of a corp suit than a visionary.

Sybeck you are totally right! Abrams is stating he want to bring Khan into the next one. Although I'm sure he is eyeing Freddie Prince I figured he would more likely look to Brad Pitt. Perhaps at some point they'll give him The Next Generation to "re-imagine" with pretty people and we can have James Vanderbeek or simply a model picked from the pages of GQ to play Picard.

I really hope they never re-visit topics they have already done in previous movies. I don't need to see a re-make of "Space Seed" or "TWOK".

Give me a new story please!

The makeup of the new Trek Universe is wide open now which means there no reason an entirely new antagonist can't be inked in.

Find a good thinking topic to tie some new antagonist to that doesn't involve saving Earth from certain destruction and I think they can make it a real winner!

There was substance to this film. You chose you ignore it because of your preconceived prejudice against the movie.




This movie did have heart. Again you chose to not see it due to your already made up mind.



This movie didn't lower Star Trek at all. You simply want to believe that it did.

I don't blame Berman one bit. He did a great job for the 15 or so years he ran things after Gene died. I think he just ran out of gas at the end, and there were other issues as well.

Nemesis was a Good movie. True Baird could have made it better by not editing out many of the character scenes, but he didn't destroy the movie at all. That was Paramount's fault for it's lack luster effort in promoting the film (same for Enterprise), and releasing it to close to other big name films. Trek was no where near as cool with the general public at that point anymore to stand up against other big, and more general audience movies.

As far as your opinion goes, YOUR opinion attacked not only me, but all of us that enjoyed the movie, by trying to demonize our tastes and character. So guess what? Your getting it right back from me!



Sources please?

C'mon, all flash and no substence, REALLY?!?!?!? They %#&% blew up Vulcan and now billions of people that would have existed don't. Kirk doesn't have his brother and Spock is now without a mother. Are you sure you aren't confusing flash with updated special effect? This movie had some substence and as many of the folks have pointed out, opened up the possibilities of a unpredectable future. The examples you used DA the studios are very aware and of course every franchise tries to avoid them because of it. Which is why they went the reboot route with Star Trek and it was a smart choice. Like Gothneo, I do hope they go another route and actually bring an original villain to the big screen or actually hire a Indian-Middle Eastern actor to play Khan, if he is in fact the villain.

Guys, lets start using spoiler tags in this thread please. If I hadn't seen the movie, I'd be ticked at all of you now.

I beleive the movie had substance. The pre credit sequence alone was moving. As for the cannon I'm fine with the reboot. I could care less that the Kelvin crew had delta shields on thier uniforms or that the sets look different. Everything can still happen or not we don't know and that opens up possibilities. We don't know what vulcans were saved. I think Nero might have been better if we saw more of him, not that I didn't like him. I just think we didn't see more because there was just show much to show in two hours. I liked the humor as well. Just my two cents I don't expect everyone to like it I just know I did.

Yeah!! Let them bring in Kumar as Khan!!

Ha ha ha! That made me realize that Spock doesn't have his Brother either!!!! That means the abomination that was ST V, The Final Frontier will never be!

Hooray!!!

No disrespect intended Slayerone but ,Really, i dont think anyone that hasnt seen the movie has any business reading a thread titled "Trek movie discussion and review thread" after the movie has been released and expect to find no spoilers there.

Plenty of people have reviewed the movie, in this thread, without giving away details about the movie. Professional movie reviewers do it all the time too. Its a simple courtesy to those that haven't seen it who want to know if the movie is any good.

Thats well and fine then. I suppose there wont be any problem in starting another thread where we can talk freely about the movie?

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Like I said for those you that enjoyed this good. But I'm not seeing the substance...What was this movie about?? What is at its heart? What is its deeper meaning?

The difference between Star Wars and Star Trek was always that Star Trek had action but really questioned things and brought up philosophical questions. Even Star Trek V which I think we all agree was a less than stellar movie was posing questions about life and friendship. What was the question with this movie. At the end of it what did you walk out asking yourself about? When a movie is made well, such as Lord of the Rings or The Dark Knight you can leave the theater realizing it was fun to watch but also left you thinking about something on your way out. Also I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. I thought Heath Ledger was going to be horrible as The Joker and he wasn't. My feelings about this movie was that it would be dumb downed and and I feel that I was proven correct.

I think the movie attempted to have emotional resonance and the only scene that had any was the opening scene. The Spock scenes fell flat as did most of the other scenes once the new cast was in full motion.

Its not the prototypical Trek story but there really is a theme of "what if" going through this movie. The main storyline is how do the events of the Kelvin change how Kirk is as a man. It also has a strong story of friendship where we try to discover if Kirk and Spock can become friends despite this new set of circumstances.

I see what your saying TheHSBR but for that to be the main storyline of Kirk and Spock that message needed to be sold and it wasn't in my opinion. It is too vague and poorly directed or written to have any emotional impact or resonance. It was like Ang Lee's direction of The Incredible Hulk. He never made you care about the characters and although Quinto did an excellent job I was left not caring about the other dynamics.

The tears rolling over my cheaks on separate occasions turing the movie seem to disagree with you!